View Full Version : What happened to this Forum ?????

18th December 2010, 05:59 PM
Few years ago this Forum was full of argument;advice; comments ;banter and BS . Its hardly visited these days.Posts stay unanswered for ages;usage must be down to 30% of what it was ??

Cant be as beneficial to SB;whatever was changed needs changing back again. Pretty boring now.
Yes some folk were argumentitive and occasionally insulting but it was interesting and got people thinking aabout SB ????

Bring back LeeD !!!???? (There was a time when the string "LeeD" would not have got onto posts !!! Those were the days !!!)

19th December 2010, 03:51 PM
This post been here two days;still top of list;60 views and no replies !!! Sort of confirms comment !!!

Certainly not as popular as it used to be ??? WS; SB or Forum in decline ????

19th December 2010, 05:08 PM
Does not confirm anything. If you take a look at the number of views on threads, you'll see the forum is just as popular as every.

Most readers/contributers of the SB formum have grown up now and moved onto bigger and better things, got bored of the LeeD's of this world. Thats why all the LeeD's buggered off. The forums are a better place without them.

19th December 2010, 06:08 PM
Dont think so;just see how long it takes for posts to work their way down listings.
And much as LeeD could be outdspoken he was (is ?) an experienced sailor and his views (along with everybodies) worth at least reading even if you disagree with them. Thats why its called a Forum !!!

Its obvious Forum is not as popular as it was ;which is a shame. Its just so predictable now.

19th December 2010, 07:58 PM
I do think there are less people on the forum than a few years ago, but there are still many discussions and many people asking for advice on particular boards so I think it still serves it's purpose.

But maybe it's not so interesting for people to discuss the "meta question" on why this is so. The internet world is simply very complex and dynamic. People move around.

20th December 2010, 12:58 AM
pheraphs is simply winter (in the northern emisphere), so someone is going on the snow with snowboards like me

20th December 2010, 04:37 AM
Could be but comments along lines from Joe Windsurfer certainly dont help.

Del Carpenter
20th December 2010, 05:30 AM
Though I generally enjoyed LeeD's point of view, I prefer the results of the current forum system. If the 80/20 rule of thumb applies, Starboard and the rest of us might be better off with the current fewer posts which have more content (fewer negative remarks).

21st December 2010, 11:52 PM
Other WS forums seem much less active from what I've seen. Here there is a good mix of technical questions and general topics, and it's not only focused on SB products. A bit of controversial spirit is not a bad thing. Maybe people do not react as fast because they got tired of always the same arguments. Take the hype associated with the launch of new models. Who really cares now? It will last one month.

22nd December 2010, 03:05 AM
Equipment wears out and can be damaged so the latest on new models is something I like to keep across - although I have to say that sails prove to be more fragile than boards. In any event it is the tips on sailing techniques that are often contained in the posts which I find so useful.

One thing I have trouble getting across is the definition of a slalom board - I know that they are built for fast sailing preferably with cambered sails (a good package for sure on those terms alone) possibly on a figure of 8 with down/upwind work. Yet they are not exactly the same as say a water ski slalom or snow ski slalom (perhaps giant slalom) with their continuous flowing kind of turning. None of the manufacturers adequately define the slalom board - it is one of those assumed things that seems to leave a lot of sailors scratching their heads and buying the gear on the assumption that all will be revealed.

22nd December 2010, 03:59 AM
What I think a slalom board should do well:

be fast and controllable
accelerate quickly
gybe well
ride smoothly (somewhat of a contradiction)
be light and responsive

This assumes that it is a race board and not something that just turns well. Lots of boards turn well, but most don't offer the critical elements above: Speed and quick acceleration.

23rd December 2010, 07:54 AM
what happened to this forum

23rd December 2010, 05:12 PM
Ther lies the problem !!

Ken`s (good) description of a slalom board sounds like a good wave board aswell !!!

23rd December 2010, 09:03 PM
I do agree that activity on this forum is down a little, but it is that time of the year. Some of the committed types and those that live at better (warmer) latitudes are still anxious to get into the water and still continue to follow the forum. Others are busy with the season's activities or are playing on frozen water rather than on the liquid stuff. I am also heading to Utah in 4 weeks to slide down some of frozen stuff.

This forum is by far the most active that I have visited and offers a nice balance between those looking for information or advice and those willing to help them by sharing their insight and knowledge.

I have no special connection with Starboard other than I purchase their products, but I do enjoy sharing my experience and knowledge when I feel that I have something worthwhile to offer.

I am just an average windsurfer (started in 1984) in love with the sport and passionate about sharing it with others, and this forum offers that opportunity. I post on other forums as well, but this one seems to connect with a much larger group of windsurfers world wide.

So, what's wrong with this forum? Not a thing other than a seasonal slow down. Some of us keep sailing, so don't be shy about asking questions. I was out two days last week in 15-22 knot winds, one day with the temperature at 75 F (24 C).

Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays) and a Happy New Year!

23rd December 2010, 10:02 PM
I used to be very active on this forum. Maybe because the developement was more up tempo five years ago: boards got shorter, increased width and got earlier planing each year, then came Hypersonis, Carves became even shorter and THEN came the iSonics etc.. Lots of things happened. Today, for the average sailor it doesn't really make much difference if you have the latest board or a three year old model (my 2008 iSonic 122 is still the best I've ever sailed;-).
And then we have the kiters. They have taken 85% of the former windsurfers in my spot under their wings.

To me the hottest "news" is actually longboarding. I guess there's a lot of future in the past. Being able to glide in 3 knots and blast in 30 on the same board is a challenge for both designers and sailors.


27th December 2010, 05:20 AM
Thanks Ken for the commentary on the Slalom board concept. Acceleration is a factor which I had just taken for granted but is of course not only necessary for Slalom events but on reflection I guess it is good idea if the board can react fast to what the 4 cam race sails are trying to achieve. My current slalom board is going on 7 years old and at times I have the feeling it is being left behind.

Per, at my local WS spot there is a significant increase in longboarding. However, I am on the side of the fence that says the simplest form of WS is the light weight short wide SL board with no centre board. Two sides of the coin of purity!

27th December 2010, 09:06 PM

Although I don't race slalom very often, I use my iS 111 for freesailing 99% of the time. What it does that freeride boards don't do (and old slalom boards), is pop up on plane quickly as compared to similar boards with the same volume. It's the wider tail, hard rails (clean water release), and almost flat bottom.

While the new boards are wider, they also gybe really well, even with the hard rails. I am not sure why this is so, but the old style slalom boards were difficult to control in the gybes. The new boards are fast and accelerate quickly, but they ride a little rough compared to freeride boards with a more pronounced V bottom and narrower tail - the price you pay for a little extra performance.

The wide tail and clean water release also helps maintain planing through the lulls and holes. I think you would find a world of difference between your 7 year old board and the newer slalom boards.