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23rd August 2006, 04:07 AM
Looking for a freerideboard with good speed ability, I checked the S-Type caracteristics.
The 104 and 93 seems to have very closed dimensions compared with the bigger volume of the same range.
The recommanded sails are also very similar (4.5 to 6.5).
What are the main differences of the two boards ?
Thanks in advance for your help,
24th August 2006, 07:52 PM
I have sailed both boards in same conditions with same sail(5.4 MauiSails Global) on same day and I can say that the 104 feels like it has a lot more volume in the middle of the board, is more floaty and can handle a lot less rough water than the 93 can. I am 71kg, 180cm, so I am a relative lightweight. If you are bigger perhaps the 104 is a better fit for you in rough water.
There is not a big difference in low end planing ability, so the 93 would be a great board if you have consistently 16+ knots wind.
24th August 2006, 08:49 PM
Totally agree with Dave on the characteristics of the two boards. I own the 93 and he has the 104. I'm 83 kg and also sailed both of them on the same day that he did. The 93 planes up nearly as quickly as the 104 for me and I preferred the ride of the 93 in rough water. If you were sailing mostly 6.5 and bigger, I would actually take the next size, the 115. I find it rides as smoothly as the 104 and carries anything larger than a 6.5 better. We both sail in the Arabian Gulf which gives us a bit of extra buoyancy due to the high salt content.
25th August 2006, 12:19 AM
Hi Dave and Ray,
Thanks for your feedback on the S-Type. Very interesting as you have tried the two boards.
I am 68kg and I sail on lake most of the time (non salted water) so not really rough water.
I expect the S-Type to be used mostly with 6.6 and 5.4 if the wind raises up .
The S-type would be the board between my Ft-138 (8,4) and my Fish 76 (5,4 - 4,7 - 4.0) in waves.
I suspect the ST-93 to be to closed to my smaller board.
25th August 2006, 12:49 PM
Considering the boards you already have, your weight and the sails you plan to use, I would opt for the ST-93. You'll have no problem with the 6.6 on it and when it gets really windy, it will still handle the small sails you have.
25th August 2006, 04:32 PM
I was just about to go for the ST-104 but all your experiences make me more considering the 93 now.
25th August 2006, 08:53 PM
Choice always makes it difficult, but at least it is two good choices. You won't at all be disappointed with a ST-104. If you're 6.6 is a race sail I would opt for the 104, but if it is a camless sail, the 93 will handle it very well especially at your weight.
I'd be interested in your impressions of the board you end up chosing once you have a few rides on it.
25th August 2006, 11:36 PM
It's great to get inputs from others windsurfers all over the world.
I appreciate your help for choosing the appropriate board.
Just have to make up my mind after checking the availability.
I would be happy to let you know my impressions on the S-Type .
28th August 2006, 01:10 PM
A great discussion..
OK, I would really highlight what Ray has commented above, it's definitely good info and even the comments on the sail type vs ST size. The sizing is perfect between your other boards - more so with respect to actual usage/range rather than just acedemic Lt numbers.
Yes, you could also use the ST104 and it would not be far off, but with 68kg no worries on the 93..
I'm 95 kg and using the ST93 as a perfect mid wind open water blasting board, favorite sail S-2 6.4m. It's a very sweet (and very fast) combo with a really fun jibe (far less technical than the full race gear).
Cheers ~ Ian
29th August 2006, 04:14 AM
Thank you for your opinion on the above info.
Just have to make up my mind on the size now. Should be a great board any way !
1st September 2006, 12:50 AM
I'm also very happy with my S-Type 93. I haven't tried the 104.
11th September 2006, 03:22 AM
I'm french, so sorry if my english is not verry good...
I'm 75Kg and think the st-104 should be better for me than the 93l with freerace sails around 6.6.
But after having read all your posts I wonder if the 93l could'nt be good too. I have a 85l wave board, so maybe it is to closed ?
And an other question, I'm looking to the 104l because i wish i could use biger sails later, like 7m or a little bit more. But maybe I'm dreaming... I don't know.
Your help would be welcome.
11th September 2006, 09:33 AM
Just to clarify: the sweetspot for the ST93 is blasting mode(powered/short chop) is around 5.8-6.5m (give or take a bit according to rider weight/style), but somewhat atypically, this also tends towards the upper end of the practical sail range for this particular board..
Even for a 75kg rider, 7.0m or more is getting big for ST93. Still rideable ? : yes. But ideal ? well, not really.
In my commenst above, I did not detail that the 6.4m S-2 (freemove) is also about the largest practical sail size for me for ST93 - but at the same time the ST93 really likes (and takes) being driven very hard in the right conditions.(water rough/choppy enough to hassle full race boards but still flat enough to allow ST to show its speed potential)
For Super-Jiber, with 85L waveboard and looking for ST sail range 6.6m and larger, the ST104 is going to be a better allround quiver option.
Cheers ~ Ian
11th September 2006, 07:55 PM
Thanks for your reply Ian.
Do you think that the st-104 can be used in a slalom configuration, overpowered with a 7.5 and the good fin (37cm or a little bit more ?). It has the same width as the sonic 95 which is rideable with 7.7 max. And as their scoops are nearly the same...
But maybe the board will be as efficient with my 6.6. I'm not shure to plane quicker with a biger sail but I will be faster. What do you think?
12th September 2006, 05:51 AM
We tested the ST104 in slalom mode with 7.5 NC-X nocam freerides and it worked "OK" (probably better for lighter guys like Per at 63kg than me at 92 - and better with lighter nocams than full race sails in 7.5m). 7.5m certainly helped get the ST104 planing earlier in marginal ST104 conditions than using only 6.5m, speed comparison in marginal mode between 7.5/6.5 was pretty meaningless, but once powered, the smaller 6.5m (6.6) is going to be faster and better handling combo on ST104.
The difference ST104 to S95 is influenced by the rail shape/s : in S95 it is very hard and square/sharp, it gives the S95 (and rider) more edge to work with, which translates to more efficency, bigger sail capacity (for a given board size/width) - but also a more technical, edgy ride, especially at high speed thru chop (where the ST is just super easy fast).
For the pure racer, they usually prefer the extended range and accept the no compromise technical nature of the S95 (and similar) - for the fun or free racer, the ST delivers an easier "fast" performance at the mid to top end of the ST's range (thanks to the bevel ST rail) , but compromise a little on the early planing and maximum sail carrying - at least compared to a similar sized Sonic.
Hope this answers your question/s but please let us know if you need more info.
Cheers ~ Ian
12th September 2006, 06:23 AM
Thank you verry much, verry interresting.
So it's possible to oversize the st104 and it could be a good solution in ligth wind (12-14nds) when my 6.6 don't allow me to plane during all the session.
Could you just tell me what kind of fin you have used with your NC-X 7.5 ?
Well, a last one...
Do you think a st115 would be as controlable as the st104 with my 5.4 and my 75 Kg. It will be to fat to make airjibes and some spocks, won't it?
Thanks for your patience.
12th September 2006, 11:17 PM
I have a ST115 and always used it down till 4.7 with no problems at all. Volcans yes, spocks no but that?s not the board?s fault ;)
I am a little heavier though (100kg) but 5.4 will for sure be ok for your weight. With my weight at 4.7 there are already some guys on their 4.0 s on their move. So I think as long as you can handle 5.4 you can also handle the ST115. I have to say that I am not using the stock fin though. With your weight I would take something around 28-30 cm more freeride/freemove biased. I do so too and in my opinion the ST is not that much slower because of a bit swept back fin.
23rd May 2007, 05:26 PM
Following the advise from this topic, I finally go for a S-Type 93 (06 model).
I sailled it about 10 times now in sereral conditions ranging from flat lake to choppy sea water.
So far, I am very happy with this board, the ride is crisp and nervous but still confortable. I sail it with 6,6, 5,4 and 4,7 no cam freeride sails (I am 67kg)
The speed potential seems huge and I reach a promising 29,7kts max speed.
Jibing is fine and very quick if you go firmly in the curve. Not as easy and "autopilot" as my previous Carve.
From my point of view, the only weak point is the 28cm stock fin that I was not very happy with.
I change it for a 32cm and 26cm and got much better range with all my sails.
A great board for the freeriders that love hi speed cruising !
24th May 2007, 05:22 PM
Glad you like the 93! As you sail it some more you should find even more things that you like, and you will not think it is so nervous. Where do you have the footstaps?
24th May 2007, 06:38 PM
I have the straps on the outside, full back. I mostly sail the ST93 with the 6,6 (32cm fin) and the 5,4 (26cm fin). Note that I'm 67kg.
I also ride it a couple of time with the 4,7 because the wind picked up suddently, but it is not my goal with this board.
At the time, I haven' try the central strap settings.
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