View Full Version : best allround wavesail on the market?
7th February 2007, 06:25 PM
I need a new quiver of wavesails. Before buying I want to ask you about your favorite sails on the market. I don??t care about brands. I now own gaastra??s manics. After four jears of constant use especially the monofilm gets a bit weak or is just broken.
I need sails that I can still trust even when they are older (at least 4-5 years), especially when I??m travelling (Denmark, France, South Africa,). They should be strong built without the lack of performance.
Thanks in advance for your answers!
7th February 2007, 08:40 PM
At first i'd like to say that i don't want to offend anyone or to do a comercial for a brand.
My favourite sail is the Hot Sails maui SO. It works great in all conditions. It's good for all kinds of wavesailing - from onshore to cross off, whatever you want. I also like to use it for freestyle. It handles really well and feels really good. I even use it with my slalom board. The shape of the sail hasn't changed for a lot of years now. My oldest sail (all SO's) is now three years old and has no signs of damage. I also travel a lot - the nearest surf spot is 10km away from my house. The sails ''survive'' all the airport abuse in Sharm el Sheikh(belive me they don't treat the equipment very nicely there) and a lot of driving. Once when i was carrying the sail off the beach and suddenly a gust of wind came from te opposite direction that it was blowing before. So the sail turned around - i just couldn't hold it - and it hit a tree branch really hard. The surface of the branch was about the surface of a hammer. The sail? No damage at all. Definately a good combination of preformance and endurance. If you take it as a down-side: they are pretty heavy.
If you are looking for a lighter sail, i've heard that Ezzy's are light... I don't have any experience with them but some friends that make custom boards and are sailing in marocco for 3 months a year say that they're really good in the waves.
7th February 2007, 10:51 PM
Well, my personal view is that there are a lot of very good sails in the market, but personally I use the Severne Blades and after changing from one to other I feel really confortable with them, combinead with a good RDM mast.
They feel light, very responsive and enough power when needed. Try them with the right accesories, and you will find what you are looking for.
7th February 2007, 11:47 PM
I'm a Hot Sails Rider, so I may be biased, but there is no doubt their sails are extremely well made and durable. Both the SO, the more powerful all x-ply Smack and the dacron sail Superfreak are all very strong sails and all very good wave sails. They are actuallt not heavy either, rather ranging from light to medium. All their differnt wave sails are completely differnt characters though. If you're interested in Hot sails and want a more details description of their differnt wave sails, please ask again. I have personal experience with all their sails.
8th February 2007, 04:52 AM
I'm interested in your thoughts about the Superfreak compared to more traditional wave sails. Currently I sail Naish Force and love them,
the SF's are described as very versatile - does that refer to wind range and tunability or more to the softness and depowering ability for waves. Any impressions would be great.
8th February 2007, 04:14 PM
I like the Simmer X-flex. I've used a few brands over the years, but the simmer seems to last the longest from my experience. no monofilm, all xply with vinyl window. If you're going for durability, get a sail with no monofilm, whatever brand you get.
8th February 2007, 04:45 PM
what sort of sail weight is considered light nowadays? ( not in feel but actual dead weight)
8th February 2007, 07:42 PM
The answer is quite ezzy!:D
9th February 2007, 03:52 AM
The way do describe superfreaks is that they are very DIFFERENT. But if you continue to repeat that to yourself while trying them out, you'll find out that they actually sail fairly normal after all. The "normality" consist of that they actually are well balanced mid power sails that just work. The unusual parf is of course the luffability, the extreme springiness of the whole sail, the totally silent ride, the extreme trimability and so on.
Contrary to what loos may tell you, the Superfreak is an extremely high tension sail. It takes more force to downhaul these than any other wave sail I've tried. But with the 4/5-length battens you still get teh luffability which give you the "on/off feel" which most peoepl associate with a wave sail. That you have this sift front part makes the sails special to pump. The leech is thight though, so with the right technique they pump very well. When going from off to on, the sail also has a kind of delayed action which can both be a great help but also can feel too indirect sometimes. So, from this "feel" kind of perspective you have to try before buying. I like sailing them now and them, but I would not personally choose them as my main sail (except maybe in very small or very big sizes). Others just swear by them and there is probalby no sail on the market that has so many "super stoked loyal followers" like the superfreak and this is more due to the ride quality that colors and such things.
The superfreak is extremely tuneable. Its hard to say why, but you can simply trim them much flatter than a normal sail and they still feel alive and active. This means their total wind range is nothing but extraordinary. Its not only that the sail can handle the wind without folding (many sails can do this). Its more that you actually trim away power on the freak so that you can continue to sail it _comfortably_ when the wind increases. A very special feeling.
Again though, try before buying. And if you're coming from a kind of stiff power sail like the Force, this is even more important.
If I should recomend a more "normal" sail from the Hot sail range, it would be the Smack. In its current incarnation, its extremely all round in almost any way you can think of. But if you end up liking the Superfreak sail, you will be hooked for life.
9th February 2007, 12:24 PM
Ola's comment on the Superfreak is correct. After having sailed N.P. sails for 20 years (I think) I switched to Hotsails. Superfreaks to be more specific. The built quality of the Hotsails (so not only the Superfreaks) is in a league of it's own if you ask me. So much eye for detail I've personally never seen in any sail. As Ola points out, the Superfreak is very different, but then again it's not. I will not start to duplicate Ola's story because he nearly covered it all. One of the things I like a lot about the Superfreaks it the Dacron instead of monofilm/X-ply. Jump on it, fold it, get a good trashing in the shorebreak, sail it hard, the material is simply indistructable. Oh and another thing I noticed, the sails are so quiet, not the most important thing about a sail but quite a nice bonus. If you have the chance to try one, simply try it out. Up till now I've not had anybody trying my sails and not liking it. Having said all this, a friend of mine who loved his Manics (2005) switched to the Hotsails S.O. (2006) and he's not looking back.
9th February 2007, 02:28 PM
I don't have much specific experience in different wavesails designs, but I'd like to add my thoughts.
The times when sailmakers were making tentatives to design decent sails are past. I don't think there is any one sail model that does not work satisfactorily. This does not mean that each one cannot have its own distinct "flavour".
That said, and should I decide to change my wavesails now, I'd be attracted by the specific "flavour" of: Maui Sails Legends, because of great power and performance in a classic wavesail handling package; and Ezzy Sails, because of reliable lightweight durability. Such sails would probably satisfy everybody. As for Superfreaks, I never sailed one, I imagine their performance is OK, but from what I read their peculiar "taste" may be too spicy and specific to suit to everybody.
10th February 2007, 01:47 AM
since when are ezzy sails light?
10th February 2007, 02:49 AM
I guess some other sail may be lighter; but in my opinion, Ezzys display a great combination of durability and lightness.
10th February 2007, 04:05 AM
can we get a handle of what light actually is then?
what is a lightweight 5.5 wave sail? 4.2 kg?4.0kg? 3.5kg, 2.7kg?
10th February 2007, 03:05 PM
Thank you for the answers! Hot sails and ezzy could be an option. What about simmersails?
A question to Ola: I like to travel with "light" stuff. My sails are 4,2 4,7 and 5,3 sqm. Can you rig the SO in the sizes 4,2 and 5,3 on a 4-meter rdm without too much lack of performance. I??m about 75 kg.
10th February 2007, 05:14 PM
I would say a mid weight 5.5 sail is around 4kg. 3.5 would be very light. A superfreak is 3.55 in 5.5 size, I believe. Its probably hard go go signaficantly lighter and both stay strong enough and keep attention to detail.
As for SOs. The 5.3 is recemmended on a 430 (438 luff) but at 75 kilos will work great on a 400 too. The 4.2 is rec on a 370 and is 394 luff. It can definitely be used on a 400, but will work better on a 370. So, I would say you can rig 4.2-5.3 on a 4m mast "without too much lack of performance). The same goes for Smack 4.3-5,3 (and here the 5.3 is rec on a 4m mast (424 luff). Again, the SO is a wonderful sail, but have a look at the Smack too. They are not at all what they used to be, and I would say they are an even better all round wwave sail for most peoepl than the SO (but it IS a matter of taste).
10th February 2007, 08:52 PM
About the rigging.... For the 3.7 SO i'd definately reccomend you to buy a 370 mast that is soft enough for it (16 imcs ?? ), so it will work nicer. I tried to rig mine with a 400 mast and it didn't feel quite right. 4.2 can go with a 400 mast (USE RDM ONLY!!! to me RDM's make a totaly different SO). I don't have a 5.3, do have a 5.0 and i use the same size and model of mast that i use for 4.2.
If i were you i'd listen to ola..... he knows what he's talking about. So take a look at the Smacks.
All the best!
11th February 2007, 02:14 AM
Assuming it could be built strong enough, what woud be the effect of getting a 5.5m wave sail down to 2.7KG?
Anyone think it would be good?
11th February 2007, 09:52 PM
A 2.7 kg 5.5 wave sail: If all else was the same, it would feel great. However, getting a sail that light means using very light materials and since sail cloth character decides a lot of the feel in the sail, I think it is hard to build it with the same feel as a "normal" sail. So in practice, the answer on the question "would it be good" would be "it depends".
The lightest sails I ever had was my 2001 Hot Psyclone. I think the 5.3 was just under 3 kilos. It was a really nice sail which also survided lots lots of chrashes in mast high Maui waves. Compared to the current heavier sails, the cloth was thinner, the mast pocket was not nearly as strong (ie got tore by broken masts, reef etc) and lots of other details was also more simplistic. Overall, I think the current models are better sails, despite weighting 600-800 grams more.
vBulletin® v3.8.6, Copyright ©2000-2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.