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Unregistered
23rd May 2011, 02:11 PM
What brand is better, Starboard or fanatic?

Waiting4wind
23rd May 2011, 03:09 PM
Id go for BMW!

BelSkorpio
23rd May 2011, 05:59 PM
From my experience,

If you talk about the full blown slalom boards.

The Falcon sails looser than the Isonic.
This makes the board more nervous. Some people like it and think they go faster with it.
I like the stickier feeling of the Isonic, which makes me more confident, resulting in higher speed.
The Falcon gives me the feeling like it wants to fly off the water.
It's definitely less controllable in chop.
Top speed of the Falcon is probably comparable with the Isonic, if you know how to control it.
I think that the Falcon is a more technical board.
I'm talking about the Falcon 2009.
It seems that latest Falcons should be easier and not that loose any more.

sergio k
23rd May 2011, 09:39 PM
To me the Q is very simple, do you believe that tail cut aways work or not. I think it does as advertised,
increases wind range and stability, Fanatic doesn't have them, so although it's a good slalom board, you'd need to swap one for larger/smaller size quicker.

nakaniko
24th May 2011, 07:08 PM
Better pasta or pizza?
BTW I love powerbox but for sure Starboard had and has shapes none else ever could have the courage to think, produce and sell; my Serenity is only one of the examples

Farlo
25th May 2011, 11:47 PM
If you look at PWA results last year, Starboard seems to do better in race/slalom while Fanatic seems to do better in wave/freestyle. However actual results are only one part of the picture. Fanatic has a long history and over time they have built a perception of robust design. They had the tail cutaways years ago but for some reason decided to move to "cleaner" shapes. Personally I liked the Rat in the 90's and now the new Falcon, but my preferred board ever is the ST104 from Starboard. Which brand is better? Can't say...

Unregistered
26th May 2011, 02:49 AM
I`ve never sailed a bad Fanatic board but I do think SB have made a few !!!

Dont think either is better though. Both companies make great boards and both have contributed enormously to windsurfing.

Years ago I had a Fanatic Rabbit. It was fantastic. Thought I`d never get a better board !!

BelSkorpio
26th May 2011, 04:55 AM
I still have the green rabbit. :)
I've learned windsurfing on it more than 20 years ago.
My son has learned on it.

Unregistered
30th May 2011, 12:12 PM
I used to own a 2006 starboard kombat tufskin freeride board and it was really slow to plane and i was constantly being overtaken by my friend on a 2005 Fanatic shark. When I moved on to freestyle I found when trying another persons starboard flare that my fanatic skate planed earlier and jumped better

Unregistered
31st May 2011, 11:14 AM
These brands are good but JP is a lot better than both, especially in PWA Wave.

Unregistered
31st May 2011, 10:02 PM
Remember...is the indian, not the arrow....
Put the same question in the Fanatic forum...obviously....same answers but for Fanatic....
All depends..
Slalom, wave, freestyle any brand is better than other depend of the modality(?)
Regards
XL

Unregistered
1st June 2011, 03:28 AM
how long is a piece of string ?

Philip
1st June 2011, 03:05 PM
For multiple board owners not 'either or' but 'and'. Different design philosophies both valid in their own way.

Unregistered
1st June 2011, 04:29 PM
Personally I wouldn't buy Fanatic boards as the design they use is outdated. Starboard invent all the best new designs and end up producing the best boards.

Unregistered
1st June 2011, 08:31 PM
No;Starboard spend more money on sponsored sailors,glossy brochures and magazine advertising than anyone else to convince all the numpties they make the best boards !!

PS what happened to this Forum ????

sergio k
1st June 2011, 10:11 PM
star-board is definitely more innovating in their design and willing to think outside the 'box',
sometimes that means they get a board that's not exactly 'perfect' but overall they push industry forward,
fanatic more into 'baby' steps in their design. So, if you want latest/greatest star-board something you should check first, if you want safe/sure thing fanatic...

Unregistered
3rd June 2011, 05:01 AM
Fanatic boards are much better, you just need to look at the past results

Unregistered
6th June 2011, 01:01 PM
fanatic do seem to do a lot better on the pro circuit...

viking
6th June 2011, 02:36 PM
I think you cannot evaluate the boards with the results in the PWA. The rider makes 99% of the result, and the remaining 1% depends not only of the board, but of the rig and the fin too.

There is no better brand I think, but different options. Some are innovative, other do not take too much risk. Some produces very light and fragile, other reliable and heavier. There are design (it is very important!) for all the tastes. After, each brand looks to have their own speciality, fanatic and JP are famous for their freewave and wave design, Starboard has more reputation for lightwind machines like big slalom and formula.

Unregistered
7th June 2011, 11:17 AM
I actually disagree with that because iv seen a sailor switch their board brand and ruin their career. Starboard and Fanatic are both excelent brands but over the years JP is really the one that shines for me

mcross19
7th June 2011, 04:34 PM
It all depends on what boards you are talking about. I'm sure Fanatic do some nice boards but the ones I have tried were heavy and boring to sail whereas all the starboards I have owned felt alive and planed real early (wood versions). Have just got myself a JP All Ride so it will be interesting to see how that performs.

I think the Fanatic production boards had their time at the top in the 90's but there are other manufacturers making better boards now. Just my two penneth worth.

Unregistered
7th June 2011, 06:23 PM
I dont think you can call it ! All manufacturers at some stage in their history seem capable of making an exceptional board. Over years lots have done so.
Years ago I was staggered when I first tried a BIC Astro Rock;the Mistral Screamer (first edition);the F2 Sunset Slalom then later when I tried a Starboard Carve( and the Evo).
Manufacturers build their reputations on these iconic boards but rarely seem to be able to recreate that feeling/success of every new board.What annoys me a little with SB is that they claim every new board they make to be THE ONE. .
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The hullabula with the S type (a disappointment ) The Kode (not as good as made out to be) The Futura (Well sort of OK but its not a Carve is it?) All decent boards but ... you know what I mean

But IMHO Fanatic managed it. The Hawk was for me just amazing.Perfect.

So it ebbs and flows between manufacturers.And that can only be good for us all.

Whose turn is it next ???

The next revelation;the next step forward ??? But its an individual choice . My mate doesnt like my Hawk !!!! Couldnt believe it !!!

F2 ? Mistral ? Fanatic? Starboard ?? Who knows?

Suspect they are all built by Cobra anyhow ??!!!

Farlo
7th June 2011, 06:33 PM
Hi Sergio, you make a good point. Fanatic has quite a long history and they've tried many things already, including cutaways. Their approach today seems to be more in the combination of new materials than in drastic changes of shape. For instance their recessed deck is only one centimeter compared to Starboard's three or four. I'm curious too see how far this trend will go (reminds me of the no-nose in the 90's, although it may last longer).

Unregistered
8th June 2011, 04:58 PM
Fanatic have a long history of producing the best boards. Its tried and true :D

sergio k
9th June 2011, 12:51 AM
Hi Sergio, you make a good point. Fanatic has quite a long history and they've tried many things already, including cutaways. Their approach today seems to be more in the combination of new materials than in drastic changes of shape. For instance their recessed deck is only one centimeter compared to Starboard's three or four. I'm curious too see how far this trend will go (reminds me of the no-nose in the 90's, although it may last longer).

Hey Farlo, (strange- tried to post response 2 time here and failed, will give it another try...)
On history thing, you can't go too far with any company since shapers move from brand to brand and take
their ideas along, but in last 10 years Fanatic design was always good but conservative, while
Star-Board innovates, comes up with something radical regularly... But it's all about personal
preference in board selection, and I know people that love their Fanatics, JP and Star-Boards, etc...,
it's all good! For me personally, after detour for few years on production side, with favorites (Isonic,Code),
I'm firmly back to customs, you can check a review of my latest toy on steve bodner blog

Farlo
9th June 2011, 02:41 PM
Sometimes the whole post disappears while trying to edit. It happened a couple of times on this one.
You could expect that after ten years of radical innovations Starboard is way ahead, but apparently it's not the case and Fanatic still has addicts. Distribution plays a role too. In my shop they prefer to sell Fanatic now and you see many Falcon on the spot while a few years ago there were mostly iSonic. Admittedly people are not going much faster but they will tell you that Fanatic is better... until they switch back maybe?

Unregistered
9th June 2011, 05:44 PM
I`m pretty sure sailors assess boards not always on their merits but on conditions they use them in.
How many of us have raved about some board whilst hiring on holiday to be that slight bit disappointed when on same board back home;probaly in choppy and cold water !

I know its off topic but I`ve always though Starboard would have done much better had they adopted power box for mid range boards.(Carves/Futuras etc) I dont want to start argument over PB versus Tuttle. We all know Tuttle is stronger but PB is more than adequate for most boards and sailors already had quiver of fins . I suspect ites why Fanatic have done so well with their mid range/slalom and even larger wave boards.

A mate of mine is a civil engineer and has been respnsible for some quite large bridge projects throughout world. His mantra

"Any fool can build a bridge but it takes a good engineer to only just build a bridge"

BelSkorpio
10th June 2011, 01:02 AM
Completely off-topic, sorry about this, but I know that mantra a little bit different.

We have 2 levels of engineer diploma's in our country.
The highest level is "civil engineer" (guys with an enormous theoretical background)
The lower level is "industrial engineer" (guys which are more practically oriented)

"An industrial engineer builds a bridge and it is completely satisfying all needs and loads, although he cannot really explain why."
"A civil engineer builds a bridge and it collapses, but he can exactly explain from a mathematical & theoretical point of view why it happened."

Floyd
10th June 2011, 04:53 AM
Nice one !

Unregistered
10th June 2011, 12:14 PM
JPs the best hands down!!!!!!!!!

Unregistered
12th June 2011, 12:10 PM
Taaabooouuu!!!!!!!!!

maelstrom
12th June 2011, 04:45 PM
Howlong is a piece of string?
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object?
Fanatic or Starboard?
The anwer is what you want it to be. People have their preferences and as far as Im concerned none of these board brands are better than each other. Its just a matter of taste!!!

Unregistered
13th June 2011, 10:54 AM
maelstrom you are wrong... Starboard is by far the best and fanatic use dated old and innefective designs!!!!

windsurfer654321
13th June 2011, 01:42 PM
Fanatic and starboard are about equal but are in a lesser leaugue than JP. JP is by far the best and when I got my kalui seadi pro twinser my wave sailing became twice as good. :D

JP4life1234
13th June 2011, 01:45 PM
I agree with the above, Fanatic and starboard have about the same performances but JP i believe is the best, speaking from experience, not PWA results.

Unregistered
14th June 2011, 04:40 PM
I agree, JP really have proven themselves over the years wheras starboard has proven to be a bit of a loose cannon!

viking
14th June 2011, 08:02 PM
I actually disagree with that because iv seen a sailor switch their board brand and ruin their career.

Name please?

Unregistered
15th June 2011, 12:19 PM
Ok its James Mackris from perth. he wasnt pro or anything but he was petty good and the new board ruined his sailing

Unregistered
18th June 2011, 04:43 AM
STARBOARD, the maker of the wierdest, worst boards on the market. Id prefer RRD to starboard