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Guest
21st February 2007, 04:25 PM
Hi all, it's the first time I post here after enjoying reading many of your posts: great place!

So, here's my question: I have a 117lt Mistral Screamer (hum, hem, yes not a SB..) and I wish tu buy a s-type with a little bit less volume (for higher wind conditions etc..)

My sails are 5.0 NS Ice, 6.0 Naish Edge, and 7.8 NS R_type

I'd use the s-type with the 5.0 and 6.0; I'm 71 kilos..

Now the question is: 93 or 104?

I've read some interesting topics about the s-type, can you give me some more tips?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my English ^^"

Guest
21st February 2007, 05:20 PM
Hi,
From your description, the S Type 93 is the answer.
I guess you have also a bigger board for the 7.8 sail you have mentioned.
Personally I picked for myself the 93 and the 126.
Enjoy

Guest
21st February 2007, 05:40 PM
Yeah, I'll keep my Screamer for lightwinds and big sail (it really.. goes!)

Thank you for the suggestion, any others?

Alex

Guest
21st February 2007, 08:01 PM
go 4 the ST93 at your weight it would be the right choice (betweem ST93 and ST104). ST r really nice boards but u might also want to consider a C101.

Guest
22nd February 2007, 03:54 AM
I saw also Carve models but and they seams good too: easy freeride..

But I've came to S-type after considering buying a ISonic or a used HyperSonic!
I'd like to try something really fast and the S-type seams to be the right connection between freeride and pure slalom boards.
So, maybe it's a bit more tecnical than Carve but it'll be a good machine to improve before the step to a 100% slalom.

That's what i thought, maybe I'm wrong..

sergio
22nd February 2007, 04:52 AM
You're right, the little s-types can be used as slalom boards just a step behind iSonics, while rougher the water, less difference between them. Of course trimmed with footstraps on back and outside position and slalom fin.
I tested the ST 104 and 115 and iS 115 with the same fin(34 drake slalom pro) and sail(SSR 7,6). The average speeds of iS were always better than ST but the max speeds deep downwind were better with ST.
Only upwind there were big difference, much better on iS.
As you said, perfect connection between freeride and pure slalom board.

Maximus
22nd February 2007, 06:21 AM
Hey

I currently sail a Hypersonic, and have sailed the ST93 a fair bit as well. There is no doubt that given your weight and intended sail range that the ST93 is the way to go. As far as being technical to ride, I would put it another way and say that as with any board, give it time and experiement. I have found it also extremely quick off the wind, just as quick as the Sonic 100 I used to have, and way easier to gybe.

On another note, and would suggest trying a Hypersonic 111 or 96 for your light/med wind solution. It will leave that Screamer ( no disrepect to the board ) behind. You will find it plains earler, goes faster on all Points of sail, and trucks upwind at speed better than any other board ever made. Givce it a try you have nothing to lose.:D

AlexWind
22nd February 2007, 07:45 AM
Thank you for the replyes :)

I'm very attracted by slalom world and maybe the S-type would be the first step into it.
I'd like to try a HyperSonic too, and I saw a few at good price.
I'm sure they will overcome my Screamer, no doubt!

But.. one by one: I think I'd better keep my easy going, relaxing, confort, freeridey Screamer for a while, untill I reach some more technique and..money of course! ;)

The S-Type I saw is a 2006 DRAM one, which comes with a Drake Freeride 280 fin. Maybe I should buy also a longer one, more slalom shaped (as the new ST93 has..). Any suggestion about that?

P.S. Here's my first registered message!

Maximus
22nd February 2007, 09:00 AM
With your weight the 28 will work very well with your 5 & 6m sails. Having said that a good 32cm slalom fin will help with early planing, reaching speed and pointing with you 6m sail, especially in the lower/mid end range of the sail, say 15-20 knots. I almost always use a 34cm slalom fin with a 6.5/79kg. I mostly use 2 fins for most sail sizes. this extends the range of the sail, without having to rig down. Its far easier to change a fin than rig up a new sail.

steveC
23rd February 2007, 01:37 AM
Hi Alex,

I'm your weight, and looking at a choice between the 93 and 104 S-Types, I have to agree with others above in thinking that the 93 would be best in combination with your Screamer. Also, if you decide at a later date to invest in a sail smaller than your 5.0, you would be better positioned to take advantage of the situation.

AlexWind
23rd February 2007, 08:59 PM
Thank you again for the feedbacks, I'm a more convinced now with the ST93.
And of course I think it'll also work with a smaller sail than my ICE 5.0, a good point for future..

Back to fin discussion, maybe I should also buy a 32 slalom fin. I use quite a lot the 6mt sail and early planing is a good target even if the gybing'd be a bit more difficoult.
Should I look for a particular model of fin?

steveC
24th February 2007, 12:03 AM
Hi Alex,

While I'm not in a position from experience say what fin would be best with the 93 S-Type, I think it's hard to go wrong with Tectonics slalom fins. I would recommend checking out the Goldwings. I've got three of them, and they really rock.

http://tectonicsmaui.com/index.htm

Ian Fox
24th February 2007, 07:05 AM
Hi All,

Pretty much all the above info is correct, but please be aware the ST93 (ST's in general) can benefit in a lot of conditions from having a fin that is not toooo much a dedicated slalom design. Yes, fast and efficent are the go for ST, but running a slightly lower profile (lower AR) and more rake than most "race" fins around 30-34cm can (does) add to the "free-er" blasting character of the ST.

By design, ST (more especially ST93, the highest wind ST) concedes early planing and upwind to the iS, in return for easier ST top end range, especially downwing, thru chop and when powered. Race fins (thanks to their sheer efficency) will assist ST in early planing and upwind, and are a valid option - but throwing too much extra fin at ST (trying to make it back to an iS or equal / hard railed race board) is ultimately not so efficent - and often degrades the other end of the ST's performance range - plus the general "fun" factor (less technical, more moves).

This also takes into account the water conditions (higher winds/choppier B&J blasting mode, control conditions) the ST93 would be typically be used in, c/w (say) the larger ST's (lighter winds..and thus flatter water, more semi slalom type sailing)

I'm the totally race fin guy, but my ST93 fin preference is always "fast freeride".

Cheers ~ Ian

AlexWind
24th February 2007, 06:22 PM
What an interesting post... thanks!

I think I got the point Ian: ST is a blasting, fast board but still a freeride not a pure slalom.
Trying to turn it into a thing which it's not designed or ment to be would not be the right move.

Another topic here is usefull for getting infos about the ST93 fin: that one about fin change in 2007 S-types line, very helpfull.

Well, the only thing to do now is.. getting the ST93!

A little OT: I think this forum is a unique opportunity for customers to get more infos about products. Great work Starboard!

AlexWind
23rd March 2007, 05:59 PM
I got it!
I've just bought my S-type 93 2006! it looks like a bullet, even not in water.. I'm looking forward to trying it!
Wow!

qldsalty
23rd March 2007, 07:28 PM
HI Alex wind, I have the same board and use a 29 Select SL7 and select evo M 31cm. I found the fin it arrived with okay but not up to what the Slalom fins are like. I recieved this board last year and used it lot with the 6.5 sail and the 31 fin. I weigh 84kgs and didn't have any problems. It flew up wind on a choppy lake and was very smooth coming back down wind. You will love it. For my weigh I need to be powered on the 6.5 to get the most out of it. In the same winds I go a lot faster on the Stype 115. I haven't had the chance yet to give it a 30kt day try yet but Monday looks good. If so I'll let you know how it goes.:D

AlexWind
12th April 2007, 03:24 PM
I've finally tryed it during Easter (short) holidays.
I got 4 good windsurfing days, 2 with Screamer + R_type 7.8 and 2 with S-type + Edge 6.0
Well, I'm really happy with the purchase!
In full powered conditions the ST93 is really a rocket, fast, easy to jibe, smooth on the chop.
I liked it!
Some minor problems with the tacks but as soon as you get the key they're solved.
I was a bit worried about the 28 cm fin but I had no problems with spin outs or such this things: it did its duty!
Thanks again for the advice ;)

o2bnme
12th April 2007, 08:28 PM
Alex, I look forward to hearing how you like the ST93 with smaller sails. I'm curious how the board rides for a lightweight (I'm 65kg) in 4.5m2 conditions.