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kvda
2nd April 2012, 07:24 AM
Hi,
Last year I've tried te 107 2011, fantastic. I bought the 97 then, but like that for 6.7 and 7.2, a 107 for 7.8 /8.4 sails would be more ideal.
What is the 2012 version like? Big differences compared to the 2011 edition in terms of early planing en control?

nonopr
2nd April 2012, 12:11 PM
In my experience the 97 can cover you up to 7.8 and even the 8.4.
If you want to make the correct jump i suggest the 117 wide for 8.4 to 9.6.
The 107 is the best board in the line right now if you dont want to go to the 117 wide. The 107 handles everything up to a 9m sail if you want but since you have a 97 i suggest the 117w.

kvda
2nd April 2012, 12:49 PM
tnx for your reply, but my question focusses on the differences between the 107 from 2011 vs 2012
Can you tell me anything about that topic?

nonopr
2nd April 2012, 03:44 PM
Small details change.
Cut out new design for less drag.
The rest are very small details has better control on top end of the wind range.

kvda
2nd April 2012, 06:19 PM
ok no big changes, so I suppose the board is at least as good as the 2011! tnx

mark h
2nd April 2012, 09:13 PM
1:New Biaxial carbon deck, so not as fragile, and slightly better at absorbing chop.
2:New cut out for less drag/more speed.
3:Pinched in tail at the OFO for free'er feel.

kvda, I'm still on my 2011 iS107 for this year (cause I love it) :) but reading between the lines, I would guess that 2 and 3 will mean you use a fin that is that is more top-end biased than the 2011. BD and Benny used the iS107's in some fairly high-ish winds last year, so would make sense to improve the top-end performance instead of the low-end performance, especially as the iS117 wide and iS127 are doing so well in the low-end conditions.

A good price on the 2011 iS107 would be good choice I guess. Not the official line, just me guessing:)

kvda
4th April 2012, 06:33 AM
Think you're right MarkH. Last years model, I did find a bit bouncy in overpowered 7.0 conditions, I liked the 97 much more in that conditions.
But I really liked the 107's gliding between the gusts, early planing and overall performance in 7.8- 8.4 conditions. And I do not like the 97 in 7.8 conditions, and certainly not in 8.4 conditions. I noticed that for my weight category (95 kgs) and at my sailing spots, the 107 is quite ideal, but also the shape is very very good, even better than the previous 111, which is also a great shape.
I just want them both for now, it's always an option for the future to sell my 97 and change it for a 90 or so.
I also sailed a 117w but somehow I did not like it when the wind picked up. I think I 'd better buy a new lightwind board for conditions when the 107 is too small. (but still have an old F155 and isonic 125 though... so are not in a hurry)

OZI
4th April 2012, 09:59 AM
Hi Kvda, I had the 2011 107 and bought the new 2012 107 when it was released last year. I loved the 2011 model and could not fault it. That is always a concern replacing a board that works so well. I am pleased to say that the 2012 is every bit as good as the 2011 and it actually feels a bit better. The first thing I noticed is that the ride feels higher. The 2012 feels a bit more lively and the nose feels a bit a more free. All in all you cannot go wrong with either model. I use a 40cm fin with 7.0 and 42 with the 7.8.

kvda
4th April 2012, 03:40 PM
I am pleased to say that the 2012 is every bit as good as the 2011 and it actually feels a bit better.

tnx man, great to hear!
What kind of fins do you use?
I do have a great meanline slalom 42, but are considering a Tectonics talon 40 as well.

BelSkorpio
4th April 2012, 09:31 PM
Sorry to drop into this thread as well, but me too, I'm considering to purchase a IS107 in order to replace both my IS101 and IS122. I know that my 7.8 sail is right in the sweet spot of the IS107. I'm 87 kg.
My biggest concerns:
- won't I miss the IS101, which I consider my best and most used board all times ?
- how does a 8.8 sail work on a IS107 ? I use this sail normally on my IS122 but also on my US147 when the wind gets unstable
- how does a 6.7 work on a IS107 ? I use this sail normally on my IS101 but also on my IS87 when the wind picks up



Any comments are welcome. Thanks.

Maximus
4th April 2012, 10:52 PM
I'd keep the 2 board combo. 7.8/7.0 work best on the 107. I've tried a 8.6 on the 107, no advantage over the 7.8, just pushed the nose under when trying to get going.....

BelSkorpio
5th April 2012, 10:39 AM
Hi Maximus, are you about the same weight as me (87kg) ?

I love the 8.8 and IS122 combination. It really rocks when there's enough wind.
I would hate to loose it, i.e. if the 8.8 would not work well with the 107.

Maximus
5th April 2012, 12:43 PM
Back then about 92/3 kg. If you use the 8.8 a lot, its a no brainer. Don't get me wrong the 8.8 will work, off the wind it will be great, but going for a cruise, your 7.8 would a better job. The 8.8 really needs the next size board up to make use of the extra power.

kvda
7th April 2012, 06:35 AM
Belskorpio, that combo consisting of two boards is always better than try to cover up with one.

That's why I want them all three! ;)

BelSkorpio
7th April 2012, 08:13 AM
Yes, that's true kvda.

It's just that now my son also starts using more than 1 board, my trailer is getting overloaded. :)
I have at the moment 6 boards in it and that's really the maximum :(
Luckily I still have room on the roof top of my car, although I haven't used that for years. :)

Let's stick for this year still with the gear that I have, but I certainly will try to test the 107 somewhere.
Do you know when Roha/Kamperland will have its test day this year ?

Cheers.

OZI
8th April 2012, 05:41 AM
Kvda I am using C3 Sting 2 and they feel great, could go down to a 38cm as well in really powered up 7.0 cond but then I would probably be on the 87 anyway.
I am using 87, 107 and have just purchased a 127 and an 8.6 R3. Could go bigger sail wise on the 127 but then have to buy a new boom and mast. My weight is around 80kg so the the 8.6 should be fine.
I agree with Maximus that of course you can use an 8.6/8/8 on the 107 but the sweet spot size is the 7.8 and you wont really gain much by using anything bigger.
BelSkorpio I had the 101 and sold that bought the 122/121 sold that and now 107. I think you should go 87, 107 and US147. Go the 8.8 on the 147 as the smallest sail for that board and forget about using it on the 107.
Combos 49- 4.6,5.6,6.2,SS21
87- 5.6,6.2,7.0, V32,34,S234
107- 7.0,7.8,S240,42
127- 7.8,8.6 S246,48
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09 S49 2012 Isonic 87W, 107W, 127WC
4.6SSR, R3 5.6,6.2,7.0,7.8,8.6
C3 SS21, Venom 32,34, Sting 2 34,40,42,46,48

Macka Packa
8th April 2012, 10:16 AM
I think you should go 87, 107 and US147. I've just done something similar, gone from Sonic 55w, XFire102, iSonic 121, Formula 161 to iSonic 86 + iSonic 111 + formula 161. I can now fit all boards in my station wagon. I don't have an 8.8, I go from 7.8m on 111 to 10m on 161. I'll try it for a year and see how it goes.

BelSkorpio
8th April 2012, 10:17 PM
Thanks OZI and Macka Packa,

I appreciate your input.
Let's test the 107 somewhere and then make a final decision. I'm not in a hurry.
Actually, It's a luxury problem. ;)

SeanAUS120
9th April 2012, 04:49 AM
@ BelSkorpio

- You won't miss it... 107 is a MASSIVE upgrade over the 101 in my opinion ...

- I use 8.6 on my 107 with a 42cm fin. To be honest ... it does work, but it's more comfortable to use a bigger board (ie, 117w, 127 etc) as with the wider tails on the bigger boards you don't feel like you a dragging the board so much when you go to pump on the plane. So I agree with what everyone else has mentioned above!

- 6.7 will be no trouble. I've tested down to 5.6m on my 107 and it's actually sailable. 6.3m on 107 is quite a nice combo and I'll probably use that on the PWA if it's gusty and I can't get on my 80L with the 6.3m ... I would aim for a 36-38cm fin for the 6.7m .. no smaller than 36cm or else you will spin out! The 107 has a nice rockerline which keeps the nose down so when it's super windy on the 6.7 it's actually very easy to control for such a nice board ... I actually find my 107 a LOT easier in nuking conditions than my 97!

BelSkorpio
9th April 2012, 10:25 AM
Sounds great, Sean.
Thanks.

Maximus
9th April 2012, 10:51 AM
How about SB make a good 97 then? Cause from what I've heard the current one is a bit snap happy! haha

OR, better still fuse the I90 with the I97, to create the I93.5, but it needs 100L I reckon, so not to confuse anyone we'll call it a I100.

It will be 63 wide, with a 43 Pin tail.

This is a board made exclusively for a 6.7/7.0m sail.

Why, well 7.8/107 rocks, 6.2/87 rocks, don't make me write the rest..... :)

BelSkorpio
9th April 2012, 01:46 PM
Yes,

it makes you wonder what's wrong with the 97 ?
Is it only the rocker line which is not flat enough, compared to the 107 ?
Or is it the Flat Vee to Double convave that makes the 107 king of the game ?

SeanAUS120
10th April 2012, 01:19 PM
I wouldn't say the 97 is not a good board ... it's just radically different to the 107.

As Starboard has so many sizes in their iSonic range, you can't really approach them as being just 'scaled-down versions' of each other. The 97 isn't just a smaller version of the 107 ... each board has a unique rockerline and design concept (as you can see by the differences in vee/concaves etc from board to board), and is built for a certain condition (or rider) ... hence why there is 3 small boards all within 10L of each other... Maybe one for Bjorn, one for Cyril and one for Steve?

A lot of guys here in AUS really like the 97 ... I didn't mind mine. I just found the 107 rides a lot flatter in nuking conditions compared to the 97 and I only get on my 107 when it's +20 knots so the high-wind control was all I was interested in ... That being said I also heard a bunch of people say the 107 rides too flat! haha.

There's a board for everyone I guess ;-)

kapten k
10th April 2012, 10:45 PM
GHAA! didnt want to hear that about the 97, i just got one, since they where out of stock on 107 carbon!

I tried a 111WC and really liked it, with the nose staying down int the gusts. so i got a 97 to go down to from my 127 carbon.
Im 190 and 85kg and have 9,3 7,6 6,7 and 6,0 vapors for my isonics.
Well hope to try the 97 soon... will not get it to this guys speed, but still hope it will be good

http://www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=74371&uid=1438

Almost 40kn on a 97 with 7.8 is impressive in my opinion.

SeanAUS120
11th April 2012, 03:35 AM
haha, hope I haven't scared anyone off the 97!

The 97 is still a really fast board! I just meant that I found the 107 keeps riding flatter than the 97 does in terms of the trim. I'm sailing on open ocean with decent sized waves and chop, so nose trim is very important to me to give control! I'm also a bit shorter and slightly lighter than you Kapten K, so you might not even have the problem I've described!

Also fins will make a difference to the nose trim ... I'm using Z-fins and Debs in my boards ... haven't tried anything else!

PS, 40 knots with a 7.8m is impressive on ANY board!

kapten k
11th April 2012, 08:41 AM
I also sail in waves and chop, but most of the season we have massive weeds here in sweden, so i use a weed fin, and it really suxs compared to a Deb or select or any other good fins.
Maybe a 97 will get me more lift with the weedfin. But weedfins tend to make the boards sail even more nose up.
Every body trim so differently, and sails and how you tune them also affect board trim.
Looking foward to test my 97, i guess it will be less tail-walk prone than my old manta 68 anyway.

I know than i can get the nose down, by moving mastfoot foward, lowering boom, use less outhaul, and moving lines back on the boom, but i dont want to kill all speed when ovwerpowerd.

Thanks for the fin tips Sean! Im a big fan of your webpages!

kvda
11th April 2012, 09:26 AM
no worries Kapten, I really like the 97 (wood). It's for sure faster then the previous 101, due to more control in higher winds. The downside is that the 2010 101 was able to handle bigger sails more easily, imho. Not sure why, maybe it's because of the dome deck and/ or lesser volume.

It's just as Sean says; the 107 and 97 are really different boards in terms of shape, but it does not mean the 97 all of a sudden isnt' good, on the contrary! I really like the 97 powered up with a 6.2/ 6.7/ 7.2 much more then the 107. But when the wind is less strong and constant, I prefer the 107 with 7.2 and certainly with the bigger sails 7.8/ 8.4.

kvda
11th April 2012, 08:29 PM
Btw, my 107 2012 has got a regular tuttlebox and not a deep tuttle box. Are the specs on this site incorrect?

Remi
12th April 2012, 12:52 AM
Hi Kwda

The first 2012 models come with simple Tuttle and after with deep tuutle after a request from very heavy Pwa racers to go full on in 25 knots with 8.6.

All the best

Remi
12th April 2012, 12:59 AM
Hi Kapten K

We launch since some month a totally new Drake line : Ready to Race line. After my trip in Maui and test with Pwa riders is extremely positive. You may have a look to them.
Specially design for iSonic for outline and flex.
All the best

SeanAUS120
12th April 2012, 03:07 AM
Guys are using 8.6m in 25 knots?? dear god....

kvda
12th April 2012, 06:12 AM
Hi Kwda

The first 2012 models come with simple Tuttle and after with deep tuutle after a request from very heavy Pwa racers to go full on in 25 knots with 8.6.

All the best

Tnx for your reply Remi,
I'm glad mine came with the regular tuttle box!

BelSkorpio
12th April 2012, 10:17 AM
Guys are using 8.6m in 25 knots?? dear god....

That's when I have my hands full with the IS87 + 5.7 sail.
LOL.

kapten k
12th April 2012, 01:11 PM
8.6 in 25knots... no way for me, 7.6 maybe if its not too gusty or choppy, but i would not last long, perhaps 2 or 3 gybemarks... acceleration after gybes will be instant!
6.7 will be almost comfy..
Just proves how fit or..perhaps big some of the PWA guys are!

davide
12th April 2012, 02:33 PM
8.6 in 25knots... no way for me, 7.6 maybe if its not too gusty or choppy, but i would not last long, perhaps 2 or 3 gybemarks... acceleration after gybes will be instant!
6.7 will be almost comfy..
Just proves how fit or..perhaps big some of the PWA guys are!
Professionals vs Amateurs, we just cruise around by comparison, and last I checked the big professionals were all above 100Kg!! having said that in 25 knots a light, 70-80Kg, rider with a 6.6-7.0 can probably go as fast (ask Taty).

BelSkorpio
12th April 2012, 05:13 PM
Where I surf, the chop builds up nicely at 25 knots.
If the wind is offshore, I should be able to handle it as well with my 6.7 but with onshore wind, no way. I'm getting too old for this I think. :)
Much depends also of course how you define 25 knots,
Is it 20 average with peaks to 25, or is it 25 average with peaks to 30.

But yes, I remember seeing Ben VDS on 7.8, while we were all on 5.7 - 6.2 at our local spot. Embarrassing.

mark h
14th April 2012, 09:02 PM
Interesting seeing how people use their iS107. For me at 98kg, my favorit combo is the iS107/9m in 15k to 20k, love it:) Admitedly, the 9m is right on the max sail size for this board. I recently changed my 9m for an 8.6m and 9.5m. Not used the 8.6m on the iS107 as yet but expect it to be spot on, hopefully get to in a few days, I remember BD saying he really liked his iS107/8.6m combo. I guess it goes to show that the flat vee to double concave on the iS107 has a massive range, and works perfect with all sails from 6.7m to 9m, I think the iS107 is the best in the iSonic range. Would love to hear a bit about the 2013 proto's, and whats been improved. I think the 2013 iSonics have now been agreed:)

BelSkorpio
15th April 2012, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the input, Mark.
You're convincing me more and more towards the 107 :)

kvda
16th April 2012, 10:32 AM
I cannot find anything about the to come drake ready to race line, anyone knows more?

Maximus
16th April 2012, 11:54 AM
I'm leaning towards the I97 for next year, its gonna be a cracker!

mark h
18th April 2012, 11:10 PM
Used the F2011 8.6m on the iS107 yesterday, very very sweet combo. Wind was gusty 15k to 25k and board and sail felt perfect. Later in the day, the wind got steadier and stayed around mid 20k's so ended up putting the 8.6m on the W58, again perfect combo:)

kvda
22nd April 2012, 05:08 PM
First ride on the 107 today, with RS Racing 7.8 and custom kai hopf 42 slalomfin. This board is awesome. Stays really flat on the water, great gybing, very high speed potential, good in choppy water. ok straps by the way, the best in years.
Also tried it with a Goldwing 38, but it gave me al little bit to less lift and the board got bouncy so changed it quickly back to the 42.

kapten k
1st May 2012, 10:13 PM
Was out on my 2011 97 WC today with 20 to 26 knots wind and choppy with a 7.6 so i was really overpowerd at times. the 97 sails very flat and controllable for me. The nose stays a lot lower than my older boards anyway. Would have canged down to 6.7 if i had had the time.

Phill104
3rd May 2012, 04:51 PM
I have an iS107 and absolutely love it. It mainly gets used with a 7.8 but also works well with my 9.0 X15. It is just a stunning board. I have not used it too much with a 6.4 as when that kind of wind is around I tend to switch down to an iS87 which for me at 86kg is a perfect combo.

Mark, how are you finding the W49? I have seen one up for grabs second hand and am thinking it might be fun for the Ray or WK on those special days.

kvda
5th May 2012, 08:25 AM
In the meantime I've used the 2012 107 with my RS Racing 7.2 combined with a select sl7 39 - great combo on flattish to slightly choppy water.
The 107 is really very allround in term of planing, speeds, gybing, control. What I like most is that it's fast on all courses, from downwind to extreme upwind, it keeps going on and on.
My experience is that the 2012 is better in higher winds and choppier water than the 2011 was, but 2011 is better in early planing.

mark h
5th May 2012, 01:27 PM
Hi Phil,

Grab the W49, its an ideal "one board solution". It can be run in big mode with big sails/fins and small mode with mini sails/fins. 7.5m to 5m no problems. Good on broad course chop, goes early and very easy to sail c/w W44, in fact its a bit to easy to sail (but in a good way). If your up some time soon, your welcome to try my W49. But long range looking pretty crap at the moment. I even put my 8.6m on the W58 the other day just to try to scratch my speed board itch:)

Phill104
9th May 2012, 11:48 AM
Cheers Mark, just what I wanted to hear.

8.6 on a W58 must have been interesting. Still, the wind has to return soon.

Nathan iSonic
20th May 2012, 04:41 PM
Can someone tell me if it's really noticeable if you sail on a iSonic Wood or a iSonic Carbon? I know that a iSonic carbon stiffer and lighter is, but can you feel that this board is stiffer?


Cheers

mark h
20th May 2012, 08:47 PM
Hi Nathan

I can't comment on the iS107 carbon as I have the iS107 wood, but I did have an iS137 carbon for 6-months, I then changed it for an iS137 wood.

Personally I prefer the feel of wood. I found it less physical during "all day sessions" and soaked up chop better. Plus, it less prone to crash damage.

On the water the carbon does feel slightly lighter and stiffer, but has no real effect on performance as the wood version is already pretty light and stiff.

I think for PWA, nationals or other racing series, then yes, there is a point in going for carbon, but if you just want to scream past your mates and generally go fast, get the wood version and save a few bucks and spend it on fast fins:)

OZI
23rd May 2012, 04:07 AM
Nathan, I have had a wood 107 for a couple of years and love it. I agree with everything Mark H said. Recently I borrowed a mates carbon 107 and found it quite different to the wood. In rough choppy cond I found the carbon much stiffer and a bit harder to sail, I liked the wood better.Carbon is harder on your legs for sure, the wood is definately more forgiving. However when I sailed the carbon in flatter smoother cond I found the board better than the wood. It was more responsive and felt like it was accelerating faster and going a bit quicker. So carbon vs wood I would say they both have their strengths and weeknesses. I reakon its a 50\50 decision and you wont lose out which ever way you go. I am going to go carbon for the 2013 model just to try something different.

SeanAUS120
23rd May 2012, 11:22 AM
Agree with you both Mark H and Ozi.

You DEFINITELY want to go for wood on the smaller boards (80/87 etc) as they feel much easier and forgiving under you feet, and I think carbon would be the only option I would choose in the bigger boards (117w / 127 etc) as you get much better early planing with the carbon and it feels more responsive in flatter water you are going fast...

But the 107 is so in between... you could be on an 8.6m in lightwinds or a 6.3m in 25 knots with it ... so hard to say which would be better. I'm really enjoying my carbon 107 and after years of having ugly repairs on my wood boards it's nice to be able to just do a rough paint job and sand over a repair and have it looking seamless with the carbon construction ;-)

Ken
23rd May 2012, 02:21 PM
Just a note about my wood iSonic 111 (2008 model). I got mine in Nov. of 2007 and after 4.5 years and 130 days of sailing on it, it still looks almost new. No dings or repairs and the wood still looks good (no superficial cracks with wood discoloring).

I record all of my outings with a GPS and put the info on a spread sheet (board; sail; wind speeds; distance sailed; average speed; top speed; time on the water; location; date).

Nathan iSonic
23rd May 2012, 07:26 PM
Mak and Ozi thanks for sharing your experiences. It is still a difficult task, as I like to speeding and slalom. I sail at sea and on lakes (flatwater and chop) so both boards are eligible. So i must think good what suits me best.

Nathan iSonic
26th May 2012, 07:14 PM
I know now that the cutouts have been changed and that the deck/mastrail a bit deeper is. But do we feel it too? I understand that in the guys in the PWA feel the difference but do we feel the difference also?

Remi
26th May 2012, 09:50 PM
Hi Nathan

Magasin test are done with riders who are more close to customers than Pwa racers and you can be sure that on our side our iSonic are not test only by Pwa racers to find out if they are not to difficult for "normal" people. Please see in our iSonic page all the test review, thanks

Hope this help and have fun
http://www.star-board.com/2012/products/boards/index.php?id=isonic



All the best

Nathan iSonic
27th May 2012, 07:07 AM
Thanks everyone I go for a iSonic 107 Wood, hopefully I can be patience to saving more money for a 2012 iSonic.