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Unregistered
19th February 2013, 09:01 AM
Hi,

I weigh in at 78kg, normally use sail sizes between 7,5 and 5,0 and conditions are from low to heavy chop. Wind is gusty where I live so many times I'm either under or over powered. I'm an intermediate surfer, get 85% of jibes right, always use outer position for foot straps etc. I like going fast but I'm no speed freak, all my sails are non-cambered but they are freeride types like North X-type. I'm having great difficulty choosing between the Carve 111 Carbon or the Futura 111 Carbon. In magazine tests it seems like the Carve handles chop and overpowered conditions better but the Futura offers more top end speed and earlier planing? Is the difference big between the boards? Given what I described, which one do you think is the better fit?

Many thanks
Gustav

Farlo
19th February 2013, 09:22 AM
Considering your program I would go for the Carve... but I'm 10 Kg lighter. The Futura may give you that precious bit of extra range you need to save many light wind days.

Unregistered
19th February 2013, 03:56 PM
I cannot answer the specific question, i.e. Carve or Futura. However a bit of experience with the Carve 122. I sail frequently in choppy conditions, and here I quikly face issues with the Carve - as it is a wide board. But as the chop goes with more wind, I'm using a smaller and narrower board in that case - a Fanatic Skate 97. That being said the Futura 122 is an excellent board for fairly flat water.

Unregistered
19th February 2013, 03:59 PM
I cannot answer the specific question, i.e. Carve or Futura. However a bit of experience with the Carve 122. I sail frequently in choppy conditions, and here I quikly face issues with the Carve - as it is a wide board. But as the chop goes with more wind, I'm using a smaller and narrower board in that case - a Fanatic Skate 97. That being said the Futura 122 is an excellent board for fairly flat water.

Sorry for the typo , my experience is with the Futura 122. So my post should be as follows:

I cannot answer the specific question, i.e. Carve or Futura. However a bit of experience with the Futura 122. I sail frequently in choppy conditions, and here I quikly face issues with the Futura - as it is a wide board. But as the chop goes with more wind, I'm using a smaller and narrower board in that case - a Fanatic Skate 97. That being said the Futura 122 is an excellent board for fairly flat water.[/

Haggar
20th February 2013, 01:45 AM
I've been sailing a 2012 F111 Wood in open bay conditions for the last 18 months. I've used race/free race sail sizes 7.8, 7 and 6 and Venom fins 42 and 36. I was sailing iSonics before and the Futura was a logical choice for me as I sail for recreation and GPS when I do get to flat water. Providing that you tune your kit, the Futura handles the chop with ease, just make sure you use the correct size fin, too small and you will feel the chop more. I've just got a 38 Venom as I find the 36 just a bit too small. I've just got a F93 in Wood for the same conditions and stronger winds, and for winds above 20 - 25 knts, then I'm on my 86 Acid. I weigh around 75 kg. If I did'nt do GPS then I would change to Carve or Kode. BTW the Futura is a fantastic board for me. If you are in really choppy conditions, I would favour the wood over the carbon, I would think the carbon ride may be a little harsh.

Remi
20th February 2013, 06:15 AM
Hi Gustav,

In my opinion, in your case the Carve 111 will be the best option for you, this board is more easy in Jibe than the Futura who is more a FreeRace machine, early planning fast acceleration and top end speed.
The Carve is more relax board and more easy to learn jibe.

Hope this help

All the best

Unregistered
20th February 2013, 07:32 AM
Appreciate all feed back! Still not 100% clear but I'm leaning towards the Futura as I think this board would offer more "growth" potential. I also should have added that I have a 90litre freewave board for windier days.
Thanks
Gustav

PrydeMan
20th February 2013, 07:51 AM
I've sailed futura boards and this season I decided to give the carve 111 a go. What a board. It goes any where and can be quick or freemove. It handles to chop really well. Even heavy chop.

Farlo
20th February 2013, 10:33 AM
Was about to tell you the same. The Carve would be an ideal multi-purpose one-board solution for you with 5.0-7.5 sails, reminescent of the S-Type. But if you have also a 90L Freevawe, then the Futura will offer extra wind range.

BelSkorpio
20th February 2013, 03:58 PM
Funny, I had a few weeks ago the same conflict.
My son had already a 90L freewave board and I wanted to buy him a new 111L board as a replacement for his older 125L board. Target sails 6.4 and 7.5. I was also doubting between the Fu111 and the Carve111.
Because I found on the 2nd hand market a Fu111/Technora of 2011 in a very good state, I've bought it.
It was only used a couple of times and not that expensive.
Although I bought it for my sun, I'm also very eager to ride the Futura and compare it with my Isonics. Until now I've never been on a Futura.
At the moment we are waiting for the weather to get warmer to try the Futura.

I came to same conclusion as Farlo. If you already have a 90L freewave for sails from 4.0 - 5.5, then the Futura extends the wind range in a better way c/w the Carve.
I also reckon that the tail cutouts of the Futura will compensate for the smaller tail width of the Carve to handle the chop. The Carve will probably jibe a bit better, but that's about the only sacrifice I see.
We'll still need to verify it in practice of course. Let's hope we made the right choice.
Hope to let you know soon !

Cheers.

Unregistered
21st February 2013, 07:58 AM
Thanks again everybody for the really helpful insights! The range is what got me to go for the Futura in the end. Live in Sweden so still ice on the sea but will let you know once i get out there on the new board...
Gustav

PrydeMan
21st February 2013, 07:59 AM
Both boards are great. I have both. For heavy chop I use the carve. No question about it.
If the board handles chop better it will be a faster and more enjoyable ride.
Sail size the fu111 will handle a 7.5m the c111 will handle a 7m as the biggest for comfort.

Unregistered
16th May 2013, 11:11 AM
Just to let everybody know how the story ended. I did buy the Futura 111 Carbon and sailed it for the first time this weekend. What a board, it's nothing short of great! Never been on something so stable at really high speeds, also planes early and super easy to jibe. Chop is no problem, not great but not bad either. Only complaint is the system that stops the foot straps from twisting, doesn't work for me at all, so need to do something there.

Again, thanks for all help in getting this decision right!

Gustav

BelSkorpio
10th June 2013, 03:58 PM
I've tested yesterday for the first time the Futura 111/technora in 15-19 knots. Standard Drake 40 fin.
I used the older NP V8 freerace 7.5 sail (2 cambers) on it which was a perfect match for the board.
My conclusions are very positive and I want to compare them with my isonics.

What you can feel right away is that the futura rides a lot softer than the Isonic. Partly because of the technora perhaps, but certainly you also feel the effect of the narrower tail that cuts well through the chop. When planing at full speed it is super stable and absorbs the shocks with ease. It rides like on autopilot. Chop hopping is a lot of fun on the Futura.

I also felt the drawside of the narrower tail clearly, i.e. on reasonably flat water, I'm definitely slower on this board c/w my Isonics, I'm coming slower out of the jibes and I need to push the board more downwind to get it onto the plane. You also feel the lulls much more c/w an isonic. The latter tends to plane easier through them.

When it comes to jibing, I found that the Futura jibes easy, but I prefer the way how my Isonics 101 and 122 jibe, i.e. they jibe much sharper and more pronounced. A full speed jibe is much more of a thrill on an Isonic than on a Futura. With my Isonics, I'm 100% confident that they won't slip out of the carve and I cannot say the same of the Futura. Coming out of the jibe on an Isonic is with much more speed and guaranteed planing, that's for sure. I also tried a few laydown jibes yesterday, but I didn't seem to get them right, the way I wanted.

So according to me the Futura is really a very nice and easy board, but there is a price that needs to be payed for the higher comfort c/w the Isonic.
I think I made a good choice for my son, who still could not try the board until now. Yesterday he had to study for his exams and the weeks/months before it has been exceptionally cold in Belgium/Holland. Not normal for the time of the year.

Cheers.

mcross19
12th June 2013, 05:11 AM
Interesting real world feedback, thanks BelSkorpio, would have been great to get the views of the carbon Futura against isonic?

Also be intersting to see how a new Futura would fair against a 5 year old isonic? Anyone?