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Guest
21st April 2007, 10:17 AM
Is it safe to buy a X9 mast now or is there still breakages like last year?:D

Guest
21st April 2007, 11:16 AM
I've had had 3 x9's for more than 2 full seasons. No problems. More than 50 rigs per mast. If it's going to break from a defect it's likely to happen right away. No worrys if not.

AlexWind
24th April 2007, 05:05 AM
Well last year they got really huge problems about X9 mast damages, expecially in "up to 5 meter" dimensions..
They've retired them from market!
Now it seams they solved the problem, at least I haven't seen anything about that thing for this year's model.

Guest
24th April 2007, 08:38 PM
Everyone please note the inside diameter of the mast at the bottom is narrower than normal mast . I cannot use any extension with a collar
like the Chinlook . I can only use Neilpryde or Fiberspar extension .

Guest
24th April 2007, 10:49 PM
well that was convenient of NP to make their products useable with only other Np bases.

Guest
24th April 2007, 10:55 PM
well that was convenient of NP to make their products useable with only other Np bases.

not true. I use my x9s with fibersnap extensions. No problem at all with fit.

Floyd
25th April 2007, 04:26 AM
I beroke aone rigging up on beach ! (Inside a speedsearcher which IMO is one of worst sails NP have ever made) (Sorry)
Rigged fine (well as fine as speedsearcher gets)but picked up rig to "check" and it just broke in my hands ! (And it wasn`t fully down hauled !)
Between X9 and speedsearcher I nearly gave up on NP.
Combat and Saber revitalised my faith !
Sabres as fast anyway !! (Well nearly):D

Guest
30th April 2007, 03:10 PM
Yes Saber's are quick all right and easy to handle. I and a few friends have been snapping x3 boom and X6 boom where the arm meet the head. All in the same place. It seems to happen at the end of one seasons riding. We are up to four booms now in the last two months. I'm getting a bit pissed off now. Back to chinook I think.;)

steveC
30th April 2007, 11:40 PM
Do yourself a favor and check out the Maui Sails carbon booms. A bit pricey, but in my opinion they are clearly the best booms on the market. No other brand comes close.

Guest
1st May 2007, 12:02 AM
Please also note that the warranty period of X9 mast is ONLY SIX MONTHS !

Guest
1st May 2007, 05:57 PM
what alternative masts could you use in the pryde race sails RS6 RSS that come close to matching the X9?

Guest
4th May 2007, 11:26 AM
Gun Select 100% carbon my rs6 sails rig nicely on these masts..look very similar to the ultra x9's....both made in italy...but select comes with 2 year waranty :)

Guest
17th May 2007, 05:29 PM
I think Arrows and Tushingham are similar to X9. Can anyone confirm this?

Shane

geo
17th May 2007, 06:16 PM
As far as I know, mast bends can be roughly divided in just two groups: "classic constant curve" bend such as NP, and "even more constant curve" which is limited to Maui Sails and Gaastra (up to '05?).
Slighter differences may exist in the first group and much is left to the consumer to decide wheter to favour better/"perfect" compatibility or different/tailored performance (fatter/flatter bottom, looser/tighter leech...) or durability or cost or else.

Personally, I prefer not to experiment and tend to choose a sailmaker that also provides excellent spars, or whose sails do rig well on excellent spars. During past times (late '90s), I was glad to use Simmer Style slalom sails on the Fiberspar masts they were developed on; performance was OK, costs a bit less and reliability somewhat problematic (almost one warranty issue for each mast purchased). Now, I am very happy with my Maui Sails TR-3s and original SRS masts; those masts are well built, perform greatly (they have a springier effect than my previous Fiberspars and NP Matrix X9), of course warrant perfect performances to my sails and have a nicer price than many competitors.

As for the warranty issue: I would NEVER purchase a mast with only 6 months warranty. IMvvvHO, NP must be so happy with they spars that they just prefer not to part with them, and as far as I am concerned I would never hurt them by purchasing one.

As for booms, like SteveC says here above, Maui Sails' carbon ones simply have no match; maybe a bit pricey (but not that much after all), but they deserve it 200%.

Guest
19th May 2007, 02:22 PM
Hi everybody I have a RS6 7.2 and last year I was have RS5 7.2, what differences I have seen is the lenght of the boom 207cm on the RS5 and 209 on the RS6, but for the RS5 it was the good lenght (207), but the RS6 is very more long than his predecessor 210 is too short I put 212cm however more the boom is short more the control is good and when I compared the RS5 to RS6 I prefer the RS5.Why? because with the rs5 i was have more power more control than the rs6, I don't understand I'm so disappointed.Why?:(

Guest
20th May 2007, 02:08 AM
Put more downhaul on your Neilpryde RS6

Buy a crank (I dont konw if this is the right word) I mean a thing to pull your downhaul.

RS6 have a lot, I mean reallly a LOT downhaul.

I dont have RS6, but have seen a lot rs6 sails being rigged.

(I wish I could afford one...;))

Guest
20th May 2007, 11:42 AM
there is a great opportunity for the mast manufactures to release a mast specifically for NP race sails.how hard would it be to copy the x9 mast bend?

Guest
20th May 2007, 01:18 PM
No hard at all. Only, one can not be 100% sure right from the start and needs to experiment, which can be expensive with masts... but maybe someone will find some good results and the new will trickle to others.
Here are some hints: http://www.peterman.dk/masts-all-imcs01.htm

Guest
25th May 2007, 06:48 PM
Albert .
To guest who say RS6 need a lot of downhaul .
I just rig the RS6 trying to reach 2 cm short of the recommened max
downhaul . Wow - It break two of my old trusty carbon long extension !
What should I do now . Please tell me :( Help !

Guest
26th May 2007, 02:31 AM
get another extension- preferably not a np one.

Guest
26th May 2007, 02:41 AM
I have also brok a carbon extension.
Now i only use streamlined, and it works very well.

DEN.

Ken
26th May 2007, 02:58 AM
Two years ago, I broke three NP carbon extension in the same morning while rigging a new Formula sail. However, they were pretty old at the time. The pullies blew out of the extension. I now only use aluminum.

rethanaish
6th January 2008, 09:43 PM
Is there any alternative mast , with the same diameter bottom part that fits inside the top part of a X9 ?
Thankfully the top never break , thank you Neil Pryde !!

ppp
7th January 2008, 12:37 AM
Is there any alternative mast , with the same diameter bottom part that fits inside the top part of a X9 ?
Thankfully the top never break , thank you Neil Pryde !!



u can try MaverX mast, almost same made except diifferent companies.

Unregistered
7th October 2008, 05:05 PM
Last week I try to trim my RS6 5,4 as recomended and broken my NP carbon base extension.
The previous week I just finished trim my RS:Slalom 6,2 and while put my arness I heard my 100% mast (NP RacePro 430 100% Carbon in very good conditions) broke on the boom section. Finaly I will buy a MaverX mast. No more NP because limited 6 month waranty.

Alberto from Spain.

Unregistered
7th October 2008, 05:37 PM
Why don't you go for a total different kit for less money and more durability and peace of mind while sailing or rigging and sleeping...

Unregistered
11th October 2008, 05:15 AM
because NP is the Best.

Neilpryde Racepro is a very very stifftop mast, while X9/X6 has a very soft top, totally contrary. Don't rig a new x6/x9 recommand RS on a racepro please, maybe a shorter mast would just work out. Or a 430 base 400 top from a racepro.

In small sizes up till 6.7 RSR I see a lot of riders using X9 wave mast, these don't break @ all, but yet top-end perfomance. On bigger sizes you have to take the right mast, sometimes you can soften up the rig by taking a shorter x9.

A X9 in a RS slalom will bring the sail to the highest level, the 430 x9 wave... the best. X6 430, very good, no breaking problems.

Maverx? Maybe it works?!? Haven't tryed it. If it is more stifftop it will have a higher chance of breaking, and performance will be worse. Note: same factory = Not same mast.

geo
11th October 2008, 01:01 PM
This is really funny.
Poster #27 admits each every RS:R sail size needs some mast choice tweaking to make things work and/or keep on working, small sizes on wave masts, big ones on shorter masts to get some softness and reliability... or second tier X6 masts that still are "very good"... you have said it all! No need to add anything more, just a resume and obvious conclusions: only my conclusions are totally different from yours!
Those sails are stiff, recommended masts break, different masts obviously will not retain designed top performances. This is what you say, I don't disagree. Seems pretty clear that those rigs are designed for heavyweight top team racers, who need stiff sails and have unlimited supply of new masts.
Yet, NP is still "the Best"... the best for Albeau and Buzianis, probably yes; for you and me, I don't think so.

True same manufacturer doesn't mean same bend curve, and pity Peterman does not provide MaverX bend curves on his very useful IMCS bend curves web page. He did a great job nevertheless. Probably independent mast suppliers, such as MaverX, have their masts manufactured to have a decent fit on most sail designs, which means probably have intermediate bend curves (close to true constant curve / 12 bend characteristic?). One could guess they are less than ideal alternatives for "extreme" bend curves masts, such as both Neil Pryde and Maui Sails, for opposite reasons.

Unregistered
11th October 2008, 11:05 PM
Geo,

You should try it a RSR on a shorter mast, I'll bet you sell the TR-sails at once. What is wrong with tweaking your sail to your weight/skills/sailngstyle? I wouldn't choose the same setup as Bjorn/Antoine??? I'll take 1m smaller, and probaly other masts. Is that wrong??? For low-wind or deep upwind/downwind the recommend mast is very good. In very strong winds you can soften up the rig by a shorter mast... The X9 wavemasts are not breaking, nor all x9 ultramasts I've used. I wouldn´t like to overdownhaul a new sail with recommend mast. Or rig it with a stiffer mast- stiffer top / different brand.

I owned a Mauisails tr-3 for a short period, but the sail had way less tuningoptions than the RSR. 1cm downhaul on the RSR is 100 times more effective than on Mauisails. Shorter mast also, Outhaul tuning is more alive. The mauisails is sometimes to soft, and giving a LOT less drive/power ratio. Mauisails is however sweet to rig and tune, because I have experienced a big range of well working settings. I can imagen a lot of riders like that.

It is a difficult story. But all the NP sailors I know that have found the sweetspot won't change the sails for another brand. You probaly haven't experienced it, but you will be stoked when you experienced it. Maybe you believe RSR is quite a nice sail, or not. I hope it helps some people to go faster, and have more fun!

GOFAST!!!!!!!

Unregistered
12th October 2008, 09:21 AM
Get the NP MXT extension. I bought them for RS6 and now RSracing. THe rollers are set up to make downhaul a lot easier. Also the rope is super strong. You will find with any other extension the rope drags through the cleat when using a winch. After 2 or 3 downhauls they snap. Really you'll save yourself a lot of frustration and sweat with a MXT.
Regards
Ulf.

geo
12th October 2008, 12:42 PM
Poster #29,
I would really like to test an RS:R in one size comparable to those I use, but in no case I would buy one. I know the RS:R is plenty fast and competitive but can't accept the limited warranty on masts, neither I want to experiment with different masts,neither I like the complicated cams; neither I like knowing a large amount of the money I spend goes into commercial politics aimed at convincing me to spend that same money, such as sponsoring a huge team.
The reason I choose TR's is in that they do work perfectly with their suggested masts and suggested settings right out of the bag; finer tuning is just a matter of getting perfect adjusments for prevailing conditions, not of finding THE "sweet spot". I like this as I am a recreational sailor and want to spend my windsurfing time on water, not on shore(... or in shop...). In other terms, it's the sailmakers experience that really works, no need for the time consuming process of making one of my own. Plus, of course, those are obviously super fast sails 100% fit for the task, as demonstrated by extreme performances by sailors well under 100 kg, both on the PWA tour and in speed sailing. By the way, accelleration out of the jibe seems to be the main TR's strong point compared to competition.
I have to admit that NP took a nice trend recently, by admitting their RS:R are already at their top and NOT introducing new models each season just for commercial reasons; which by the way is a 180° change compared to their previous habits. TR's on the other side are so revolutionary and new that probably can evolve some more, at least this was the case going from TR-3 to TR-4.
Pity you didn't find the right feel with your TR-3. I understand this is what is happening very often to NP and North users. You tend to identify sail power with back hand pull, which isn't the case with TR's. As a result, I think NP/North users may tend to oversheet TR's searching for that heavy back hand pull they are accustomed to, resulting in excessive angle of attack that kills sail performance. TR's pull very little sideways, but still have lots of propulsion. I recently succeeded in helping a friend to properly test a TR-4 by telling him not to overdo the DH and not to oversheet it: must have felt unusual to him, but in the end he realized the difference, loved the sail and is now in the process of changing his current quiver to TR's. He is a very eperienced FW and slalom sailor that competes at local and national level with lots of experience on RS:Rs, Warps and Vapors.
As for tuning options: you really don't need to adjust DH that much on TR's, unless you are into superoverpowered superbroad reaches sailing: the sail will work any how, and will be plenty stable and fast. Just needs some OH tuning to adjust to prevailing conditions. I was told that PMcG eased 3 cms. (!!!) off Josh Angulo's 7.0 downhaul before his winning final race in slalom #2 in Sylt in epic conditions. Seems he knew what he was doing.