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pfaffi
26th April 2007, 07:37 PM
I red a lot of supersoft Kashy magic fins in US forums for Formula. Seems to be better than the wellknown Deboicht R1x. I am searching for infos and reports about strenght and weak points of that fin, spezifications and photos how it looks like and a contact for purchase.
Can anyone inform me?
peter

Guest
26th April 2007, 09:32 PM
Hi Peter.

You can try to contact Dave on this mail.
kashyr@cox.net
I have 2 Kashy fins and the a very very good fins and after i try the XS fin, i have sold all my Debo fins.
You can see the fins: http://miamiwindsurfing.com/fins.html

Thomas

Guest
27th April 2007, 10:39 PM
sign up now for a kashy fin for the 2009 season- wait is 1 year+

Guest
28th April 2007, 01:21 AM
Peter,
strong points would be that Dave is a freaking perfectionist and knows what he's doing - plus he's getting feedback from some of the most methodical testers anywhere (the top three guys in the Bay Area Formula fleet). So they're definitely good fins, I'd think.

Weak points are easy - price and (lack of) availability.

-G-42

pfaffi
30th April 2007, 12:02 PM
Hi Thomas and G42 and unknown!
Thanks for your replies!
So the black fins with the straight rear outline are the Kashy fins according your link. How are the super soft fins working in 25-30kn? Are they stable? Will the boards nose stay deep in strong gusts? Whats the speed limit you reached at the fastet downwinds? What are the prefered sail sizes?
Thanks a lot for your answers.
peter

Guest
2nd May 2007, 02:29 AM
Hi Peter.
I have never try the fin in 25-30 kn, but in 20-22 kn i have reached 28 knots speed.
I only have 1 sail,RS6 10.7, and 2 Kashy fins. XS 68 and XS 70, and it works from 8kn to 22 kn.
My weigth is about 75 kg and the fins are very stable, also in 20 kn.

Thomas

pfaffi
2nd May 2007, 04:39 PM
Hi Thomas: Thanks for your commend. Which advantage compared to the Debos you see with your Kashy fins? Is it the comfort, the performance or both? In comparison to your friends could you improve your results with the new fins?
Thanks, Peter.

Guest
3rd May 2007, 02:40 AM
Hi Peter.
The Kashy is faster downwind, upwind angle is the same, but the speed is better. Thats my opinion.
The comfort is the same but the performance is better

BR
Thomas

Guest
3rd May 2007, 06:29 PM
if your not close to the top of the game, it will not make much difference for you.
I pass the guys with this years boards, sails, and Kashy fins all the time with my, four year old
board, sails, and chewed up fins.
I would try to find a used one. Also, Dave has a day job so the fin factory is a lower priorty.

Guest
5th May 2007, 09:21 PM
ohh here we go again - the indian vs. the arrow debate.
In all respect, the Kashy fins are really well made and have some great speed both upwind and downwind. With the double curve outline (sim to select) the fins they dont have as much grunt off the line as a debo but if you dont put yourself in a tight pointing situation where you are trapped, speed is king- esp in light air!

finsail
9th May 2007, 12:42 AM
I've never tried a kashey but I'm told by top sailors they are "sweet".
I think it's great Dave has built a better mouse trap BUT I think it's a severe blow to the sport that to have the most competative fin you have to spend $700.00 usd yup that's right $700.00 USD (that's twice a new deb by the way) And you get to wait a year to receive delivery.
I'm not a competative racer and don't care to be as formula is most definitely an "ARMS RACE"
Not bitter I just think it's another step in the wrong direction.
Let's see
L-7 2000.00
North 11.0 1200.00
Mast 700.00
Boom 700.00
fin 700.00
AHHH 5300.00 and thats just the beginning

Remi
9th May 2007, 04:36 AM
So long life for the FE Class.

Welcome to the Worlds in Estonia next august.

Complete equipment for less than 2500€

All the best

Expander
9th May 2007, 02:08 PM
--

Naturally, I'm not against innovation (when it really means improvement) but, regarding Kashy Formula fins, I think we have reached a level of collective hysteria.

What I criticize is not (ridiculous) pricing or (controversial) performances but fact that many people are singing the praises of a product "NON-EXIXSTENT": because, in my opinion, a product with a null availability and extremely long manufacturing times may be considered as "NON-EXIXSTENT", in one way or another as "IMAGINARY".

At this point, I ask if this collective hysteria could be counterproductive for Formula and if may be yet considered in line with its spirit.

- Expander.

barks
9th May 2007, 06:09 PM
I think Expander raises a really important point here. While I am as guilty as any (I own Deboichet and Kashy fins) I agree that the lack of availability and the way some of these fins are being built and distributed make them almost impossible for all but the very best connected (or richest) to get.

Considering the FW class where all boards and sails should meet certain rules to make sure they are "production" (i.e. anyone can buy what the pro's use) maybe that ought to be the case with fins a well. There is no doubt that fins have a pretty large impact/influence on the performance of the entire gear package. On the contrary this would of course make it very hard for guys like Dave Kashy to develop and sell fins and thus it may hinder development of better gear, at least in regards to fins. But there is imo no doubt that the current fin situation is not really consistent with what I believe was a main point in FW sailing: that anyone could get what the pro's have. I do not really want one-design racing either, as I believe a wider choice of gear makes it easier for people of different build sail well, but that sure does mean they have to have access to that wider range of gear.

Guest
9th May 2007, 11:27 PM
Any results posted anywhere?

Guest
9th May 2007, 11:32 PM
If you were a fin builder with x hours in the week to devote to work, family, fun and fin building and your demand for fins was going through the roof (100+ orders)- of course you will raise the price . It cuts into your work, family, and fun time. You have to put a price on that. Furthermore the market supports the price with just a few people canceling their orders due to price increase.
Kashy fins are almost always at the top of the fleet- you have to pay for that!

Guest
10th May 2007, 12:13 AM
mid winter: 1 st antoine albeau: deboichet fins
santa paola:europeens: 1st julien quentel:deboichet fins
portimao:eurocup: 1st steve allen : deboichet fins

barks
10th May 2007, 12:14 AM
It's not so much the price I see a a problem; imo the problem is the availability even if you can afford them. Most often a garage operation doesn't turn out enough fins to satisfy demand, even if that demand is somewhat reduced by the market/price. As it is there is still unsatisfied demand, and probably would be even at a considerably higher price.

I'm not advocating banning Kashy fins or something like that; on the contrary. But I would love if Dave could/would find a way of turning out more fins (maybe by scaling up production if proper help can be found?) someway so that those willing to pay would actually get the fins.

Guest
10th May 2007, 06:14 PM
a new fast fin can make that two to four year old board faster than the 2007 suff.
I also had a Deb that would not work at all on my 06 f2. Tried it on my 175 and was able to pass most of the guys on 07 stuff.

Guest
10th May 2007, 11:38 PM
Barks has the idea,
Wouldn't it be great if dave kashy were to work with Mike Z and Quadruple production!!
I'm sure Mike Z could use more work and become involved in the R+D and testing.
Wow the best fins AND boards in the world built right here in the bay area by Mike Z.
I'll be first in line to buy the used/proto stuff as I can't afford new.
Damn rent!!

G-42
11th May 2007, 10:36 AM
Isn't Mike already making fins? Thought I saw that on the calcup list somewhere.

As for all the yelling about fins - custom formula fins tend to be the one piece of windsurfing equipment that actually holds its value pretty well. You can run a Deb for a couple season, then sell it at about 75% of what you paid for it (as long as you didn't go off the deep end and buy one of the models that turn out to be dogs - R14 or R12 or R18, anyone?) Try getting that kind of resale value out of your board, or your sail, or your mast (booms tend to do OK, but then you don't really sell those too often unless you downsize your quiver). And fins also tend to be competitive for a while - R13's were the standard for something like 3 season. R16's and R17's have been highly competitive for 3 seasons now, and still rule unless you've got a super-wide-tailed board (like F161) and sail in really light wind/flat water.

-Andreas
http://g-42.blogspot.com

Unregistered
6th March 2008, 11:14 PM
Dave never intended to be a fin manufacturer and does not want to be one. He set is prices at a reasonable point, and then realized that to fill the order coming in would take all his time. He raised the price to reduce the affordablility and thus the order volume. It didn't work, so he raised them again. It worked. Sort of. That's what I heard.

Unregistered
22nd January 2009, 12:47 AM
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chop hop
19th September 2009, 01:05 AM
I know Dave. His fins are built to his standard of excellence. He needs no quality assurance department because HE makes everyone of them himself. At least he used to. He could sell out to someone and they could mass produce them. But they would then be Kashy fins in name only. Anyone who takes a sport that is as fun as windsurfing and turns it in to WORK (i.e. racing) deserves to pay the price to win. If you want the best gear money can buy then..well...pay or make your own.