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TonyC
20th May 2007, 12:31 AM
Hi,

I asked Kevin this but also appreciate any other feedback.

I am getting back into the sport after 5 years away (kids etc). I was advanced intermediate and my last boards were F2 Axxis 272 (90ltr) and Windtech Course (140ltr). I wish to get a very fast board that is also good at gybing and have settled on the S-Type. I weigh 78kgs (will get back to 84 kgs in the next 6 months) and sail in Western Australia with sea breezes of 18-23 knts average. I plan to use Tushingham Storm 5m and Lightning 6.5 sails. Can you advise which would be the best of the S-Type 93 and 104 to get. I primarily will be burn and turn but would also like some upwind ability in the board and plan to maybe do the Ledge to Lancelin in 09 once I get back up to speed. I was told the ST104 was better upwind but I wish to get the smallest/fastest board possible for control in chop etc.

Thanks for any help on this

TonyC

Ray Timm
20th May 2007, 02:41 AM
Hi Tony,

I'm 83 kgs and generally prefer the ST-93 over the 104 in the windspeeds that you mentioned. The 93 will carry a 6.5 almost as well as the 104, plus it is smoother and gybes better than the 104 for me. I also find it to have a crisper ride and more of a slalom feel than the 104. Overall, I think it is a great board for blasting around whether it is offshore on big swells or on choppy water near shore. I also have a ST-115 and I even prefer that to the 104 in most conditions.

Hope this helps.

TonyC
20th May 2007, 07:29 PM
Thanks Ray. Looks like the ST93 would be best - how well does it go upwind when powered up.

Ray Timm
20th May 2007, 08:14 PM
Tony,

Regarding upwind ability, I don't think there is much difference between the 93 and the 104. Both need to be well powered up and don't like sails that are too big for them. In 18+ knots it will go upwind, but not like one of the new iSonics.

Phill104
20th May 2007, 09:14 PM
I used to have the 104 but now I am totally converted to the iSonics. If you want a burn and turn board then they really are the mutts nuts.

Duracell
21st May 2007, 01:44 AM
I'd be a little careful giving such advice. Kevin Pritchard just wrote a few days agon in Kevin's corner that he wouldn't want to jump his iSonic. Bump & Jump -> ST.

Phill104
21st May 2007, 02:03 AM
Duracell wrote:
I'd be a little careful giving such advice. Kevin Pritchard just wrote a few days agon in Kevin's corner that he wouldn't want to jump his iSonic. Bump & Jump -> ST.

Where in this thread has anyone mentioned Bump and Jump?

TonyC
21st May 2007, 01:34 PM
Thanks Guys. I hadn't really considered the iSonic as have been out of the sport for 5+ years, hence I thought the S-type would be best - don't know how long it will take me to get back up to speed, nailing the majority of gybes in all conditions etc. Kit has changed so much since I was last windsurfing and the S-Tpye seems much closer to what I was previously sailing, although shorter and probably faster and easier to gybe. Given this, would the iSonic be too hard for gybing for me at this stage? although the upwind ability, earlier planing and greater speed would be nice.

Duracell
21st May 2007, 03:04 PM
Where in this thread has anyone mentioned Bump and Jump?


Just something loads of people do when going fast, it might not have been important enough to mention (because its "standard"). You usually dump useless info on the forum, so why complain if someone justs try to make sure the guy gets the right board? BTW 5 years out, might fall -> iS (<145) is wood == will fall apart.

Phill104
21st May 2007, 04:00 PM
TonyC,

The very outboard footstraps and wide style of the iSonics will feel odd at first but you will very quickly get used to it and the way they plane through lulls is superb. The iSonics also have a wider wind range compared to the s-types giving you more time on the water. Gybing is about the same on both not that I&#39;m much good at it.. The S-type is more nimble in the turn but the iSonics have more width in the tail to keem them going. Tacking is a different matter. The iSonic has very little volume in the nose so you really have to get round the front quickly. The S-type has a bit more float up front but you still have to be quick. Upwind the iSonic is almost up there with formula kit when powered up. Last weekend I was out on my iS115 and managed to totally stuff a formula guy.:D.

If you go for the iSonic then volume is going to be a hard choice. In 6.5 weather my iS87 is great and suprisingly easy to sail in light winds that I would not normally consider going out on such a small board. The 115 I use with sails from 6.5 up to 8.5 and when I&#39;ve not had the smaller board with me I have even used it with a 5.5 and it was still ok.

I think Ian Fox would be the best man to ask when it comes to choosing the right volume for you.

If you are into a bit of jumping then the s-type might be a better option and in certain conditions can be faster.

I&#39;m sure there must be somewhere near you that you can demo some kit. Give it a good go on both before you decide as they tend to grow on you. First time I tried the iSonic I wasn&#39;t too sure about it but by the end of my second session I was hooked.

Are Tushingam popular down your way? Here in the UK they are one of the most populer brands faring extremely well against the more expensive brands.

Out of interest, why are you trying to gain weight? Most of us want to loose some, Ive been trying for ages to get from my current 85kg down to 78:(

TonyC
22nd May 2007, 08:55 PM
Thanks everyone. I&#39;ve decided to get the ST93 - I think this will be the best board for blasting around and to get my gybes etc back up to speed. Later will get a larger volume iS122 or similiar and larger sails (lightning 7.8 & 9.4) to blow the cobwebs away and tackle the Ledge to Lancelin etc.

Phill104 - Tushingham aren&#39;t as popular here in West Aust as I would have expected - I like these sails as they seem really well constructed (from a couple I have had in the past), are getting great write-ups for their ease of use and range, are not expensive and don&#39;t seem to be driven by as much marketing hype as a lot of the previously sails I have had (NP etc). I&#39;m not trying to gain weight but getting back into working out (after being slack the last year whilst working away) - I seriously got into weights when i quit windsurfing as it was one of the few things I could easily find time for at home - hence I should get back to ~84kg&#39;s - which shouldn&#39;t hurt for racing.

Again thanks everyone for the advice.

Regards

Tony

Terje
8th June 2007, 04:27 PM
Hi all,

Following the advise from this forum, I finally go for a S-Type 93 (06 model).

A quick feedback :
I sailled it about 10 times now in sereral conditions ranging from flat lake to choppy sea water.

So far, I am very happy with this board, the ride is crisp and nervous but still confortable. I sail it with 6,6, 5,4 and 4,7 no cam freeride sails (I am 67kg)

The speed potential seems huge and I reach a promising 29,7kts max speed.
Jibing is fine and very quick if you go firmly in the curve. Not as easy and "autopilot" as my previous Carve.

From my point of view, the only weak point is the 28cm stock fin that I was not very happy with.
I change it for a 32cm and 26cm and got much better range with all my sails.

A great board for the freeriders that love hi speed cruising !

AlexWind
14th June 2007, 06:10 AM
Hi, I got too the ST93 &#39;06 (I have it in Dram version) and I like it very much..
I was considering to change the stock fin, which was you brand/model choice?
How is the board with the 6.6 sail? My biggest one now is a 6.0 but the next one I&#39;m gonna have will probably be the 6.6..
Let me know!!
Bye

Terje
14th June 2007, 07:21 PM
Hi,

I use Select Supercross fins in size of 32cm and 26cm. The 32cm is fine with the 6,6.
The 26cm is great with the 4,7 and still ok with the 5,6.
If your smaller sail is around 5,5 , a 28cm would be perfect.

My 6,6 is a 0 cam freerace sail (Loft O2) which is quite light relative to its size.
It matches well with the ST-93 when blasting on flat water in 15/20kts wind, but I would not go bigger in sail size.
The ST-93 is very well balanced with the 5,6 in more choppy open water.

The upgrade with the two new fins has really open the riding range.

Cheers

Terje