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namreh
21st May 2007, 08:53 PM
I read everywhere rumours about the plans about no new s-type model in 2008. Also the leaked pictures of your photoshoots don't show the famous "red-devil". What about those rumours?

Hopefully there will come a new (fast, comfortable freerace) board in place.

Guest
22nd May 2007, 07:50 AM
I heard of a board called futura or something like that to replace the carve and Stype in one.

Jean-Marc
23rd May 2007, 05:01 AM
Namreh,

Don't know *B plans for 2008 but got info that Neil Pryde's Saber specific supercross sail are no more available for order and will be replaced by something else...
Looks like to me that the Supercross program is gonna be terminated end of year by a growing number of brand...

Cheers !

JM

Guest
23rd May 2007, 12:03 PM
Hi JM, Guest

well, I think that the idea of super cross boards, say very maneovrable, tough for freestyle and very fast is now more alive than ever. You maybe heard some rumours about S-type, Futura, NP Saber, and many moves in the windsurfing scene...and for sure you will know soon what is going to be launched by Starboard. But let me tell you that for sure, the peolpe looking for speed + freestyle will be happier this year than previous ones as we have them really on mind. Personally, my favorite board 2007 is the Stype 115, and I am sure what is coming will be really really exciting for me to have more fun.

I guess lots of work and brain storming has happened early this year and late the previous one around Starboard team looking forward to jump one step closer to the future. Just wait, you will be surprised my friend.

Best luck! ;)
Ricardo Guglielmino
Starboard Team

Guest
30th May 2007, 05:03 PM
i've heard from my distributor that we could order 2008 models now. Futura is going to replace Stype and Carve. I'm gonna get one of that for sure. carve is always to best seller in starboard while Stype got a track race record in last year. i guess starboard won't remove this 2 line and debut futura unless this single board performs better in any aspect compare with the 2 great board in 07. ;)

LK
30th May 2007, 08:24 PM
LK

I hope the Futura 14X is a real "bigger S-Type", as there was missing a 75-80 cm wide slalom/freeride board ( like JP- Supersport).
Did not see the bigger Futura boards at Kanaha at the fotoshooting.
The smaller ones look fast. Took some pictures. The Kombat 08 are real beauties

;)

Guest
30th May 2007, 09:20 PM
darn, i hope they don't replace the carves and s-types! i love those boards, especially (yea...this sounds vain) this years graphics, they out classed the looks of any other brands boards by far, and i want to buy them when i can afford them but it doesnt look like im going to get a chance if they're replace :(

Guest
1st June 2007, 01:11 AM
I hope that Starboard will include a single back strap option on this new board in the smaller sizes!!!

LK
28th June 2007, 07:48 AM
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Guest
29th June 2007, 02:31 AM
balance of the carve and bottom of the SType would be a cool board, guess it won't come that way though...

Guest
29th June 2007, 03:07 AM
Combining the carve and s-type into a single board line... I think it's a good idea.

Ditto on the hope that they include a single back strap option.

Guest
29th June 2007, 12:38 PM
sometimes change is not a good thing. I love Stypes. I hope they aren't de-turned.

Guest
2nd July 2007, 09:44 PM
Cant argue with opinions.
But
S type has been dropped for a reason.
Its not that fast; does not plane early at all and is technical to sail.
and its not a good weight carrier for its (quoted) volume.
I suspect the Futura will be nearer the Carve which is (was???) an infinitely better board than S type.
S type is fast because fast sailors bought it.
If you like S type for its qualities (fast in chop) have a go on older carve or Tabou Rocket.
Not a big fan of S type I`m afraid.
One of things which damaged S type was all the hype prior to its official release. (Pics of Kp in waves on one did not help either)
Kombat and Carve a different story. !
S type has been most hypesd and over rated board ever.
Dont think it will be missed.
Sorry all you S type owners. (Sold mine ; surprise surprise)

Ola_H
2nd July 2007, 10:02 PM
Eeh... not fast? Several mags tested the S-type as very fast boards in comparisons with other freeride/super-x stuff.

Floyd
2nd July 2007, 10:04 PM
Over years various boards have defined the qualities available from manufacturers and helped build their reputations.
The old F2 Sunset Slalom; Mistral Screamer;BIC Astro Rock;Fanatic Mega Jag;F2 Sputnik.(There are others); and with out doubt the Starboard Carve (and Evo).
You might not like some of these boards but you know exactly what they will and wont do. They were classics (some still are) and marked steps forward in our sport.
I dont think anyone will remember the S type as one of these. It did not do what we all believed it would/could.The others did far more.
Frst time I sailed a Carve I was astonished. First time I sailed an S type I was disappointed.
Hope *B have mix right ?

Floyd
2nd July 2007, 10:21 PM
With all due respect Ola I think thats where the problem lies.
Boards mag (or some other magazine) does some testing (which for all intents and purposes is subjective) and then say a board is fast (or slow)
Do you really think you would go any faster on an S type than the equivalent (width) carve ??? It might feel faster.(So testers;guest and otherwise say its faster.)But faster when and for whom ???

We`ve all been led to believe boards which are hard to sail are fast. Its probably the reverse !

To be honest I really think the Carve is the faster of the two boards !(And it gybes easier)

Guest
2nd July 2007, 10:47 PM
Over years various boards have defined the qualities available from manufacturers and helped build their reputations.
The old F2 Sunset Slalom; Mistral Screamer;BIC Astro Rock;Fanatic Mega Jag;F2 Sputnik.(There are others); and with out doubt the Starboard Carve (and Evo).
Hope *B have mix right ?

i agree with your comments regarding the the sunset slalom sputnik and astro rock, and the EVO I cannot disagree enough with your comment as to the screamer and carves. These boards are similar in NAME ONLY, to there predecessors.
Take a 1980's screamer or a 1990's carve from there 1st introduction to what they offer this year and you will find boards that are completely different in outline rocker and volume to the extent that they do nothing the same way as there early predecessors did..
so they may be called the same name, and we knlow them well bu that given name , they are not the same boards, and they definalty will not sail the same.:D
the sunset slalom or astro rock "name" didnt last as long thus the design ditd not deviate from the original much, especially compared wih the long named screamer line,
shredulato

Floyd
2nd July 2007, 11:58 PM
Shred
Yes you are right. Carves and Screamer (to a lesser extent) have changed beyond all recognition but the boards in their original carnations both set the yardstick (IMO) for others to emulate at the time.The screamer was the first bigish board (I sailed) that went as well as it did but gybed so sweetly. The original carve was the same ;albeit bigger (if required) faster and earlier planing and equally as sweet to carve. It was an immediate classic.IMO it moved things on.: None of that could be said of S type:D.

Ola_H
3rd July 2007, 12:44 AM
Floyd wrote:
With all due respect Ola I think thats where the problem lies.
Boards mag (or some other magazine) does some testing (which for all intents and purposes is subjective) and then say a board is fast (or slow)
Do you really think you would go any faster on an S type than the equivalent (width) carve ??? It might feel faster.(So testers;guest and otherwise say its faster.)But faster when and for whom ???

We`ve all been led to believe boards which are hard to sail are fast. Its probably the reverse !

To be honest I really think the Carve is the faster of the two boards !(And it gybes easier)


I completely agree that the sailor makes the difference and that for a given sailor board A might be faster than board B despite that board B is the faster for another sailor. Apart from pure sailing ability, the sail, the conditions, the style of the sailor, sometimes the weight and maybe mostly the attitude matters a lot. I frequently sail on my home lake with anything from EVOs to iSonics and while there are of course differences in my own speed, the relative speed when I compare to others does not differ that much.

As for the Boards mag test, they actually said the S-type was fast but rather felt a bit unexciting at speed (and though testing IS subjective, it is not that difficult to compare speeds). What makes the higher strung boards technical is more that it takes more commitment to jibe them and that getting in the straps and start planing is often more technical. But the shape and stance details that make up for these difficulties if often what makes the same boards composed and easy at speed and hence in reality fast.

But again, your main observation is correct. The more difficult the conditions get, the more you gain by choosing an easy board compared to a fast one. Given tough enough conditions, I'm probably faster on one of my EVOs than on my iS101.

BTW In the boards test, they argued that the fast freeride boards didn't have so much place in the market. People that wanted and could handle these boards could as well be on full on slalom boards (and despite having a wave background, that is the route I chose myself - having the iS101 as my big freeride board. It does sweet full speed carving 360s btw). There is some merit to the Boards argument, but of course there will always be a market for faster boards that is still easy. To get closer to the perfect speed/ease compromise is surely a challenge for the shapers and testers and it gets even more challenging when you include that it should be a good mix for an extremely large variety of sailors.

Guest
3rd July 2007, 03:44 AM
carves == balanced slow boards
stypes == somewhat more technical but much faster boards for the non-beginner, they fly into the sky and they gybe VERY WELL.

PUHU goodbye SType, I'll really miss u.

Guest
3rd July 2007, 08:27 PM
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i understand your points about a well known board and its name. there are a few old screamers in my area, a nice old style
high wind board, long narrow,low rocker and lots of volume in front of the mast base. narrow pin tail. VERY very different IMHO from its new incarnation.
The new screamers i sailed sailed last year in maui which seems to be more of a 'freeride"
ie; IMHO bumpy wide and loose .
The contrast was startling. As to the new Carves , very very different from the old. A local got a carve 133 last year and we compared it side by side to the one 5 years old , they are so different i dont know the why they still call them the same name ! the new carves have that flat s type nose , You
know the kind of low rocker'd nose that when you look at it going over chop you think " hang on were goin in dive bomber style":D

Guest
4th July 2007, 08:50 PM
Ah yes I remember that feeling when I first rode a Hypersonic. I couldn't peel my very wide eyes away from the nose and the next piece of chop. After a while your trust in the rocker, your confidence will build and you don't even think about it. :D

Guest
5th July 2007, 01:30 AM
I do believe that the SType is sligthly faster than most out there. They have got good tests with the German Surf as well, and they do pair testing.
However, everything is relative. Today it turned out that the SType 126 was just marginally faster than a KONA Style (220 liter, 350 cm). And both were faster than a Hypersonic...

I do believe that most of the people who get a SType would actually be better served by a Carve, and those that are a good fit for the SType could actually pick an iSonic instead.

van
30th July 2007, 11:19 PM
I'M REALLY SAD TO HEAR THE S-TYPES WILL BE NO MORE. THESE BOARDS ARE LIGHTNING FAST, JIBE WELL AND ARE GREAT FOR BUMP AND JUMP. NO OTHER BOARD COMES CLOSE. I HAVE AN ISONIC 101 WHICH IS GREAT BUT WHEN THE WIND PICKS UP IT'S NOWHERE NEAR AS FUN AS THE S-TYPE. CAN'T JUMP THE ISONIC AND IN HEAVY CHOP IT ROCKS. PITTY. JUST HOPE THE NEW FUTURA IS BETTER.