View Full Version : Beginner to intermediate - which board? S-Cross 140 or Bic Nova 165?

26th May 2007, 01:40 AM

I am very new to this fantastic sport, I just love it!
I have been out in the water just 20 times,
I want to buy my own board and rig now and I made my homework with what is available around my area (Athens - Greece) - mostly flat water and light wind.
I came across a second hand bic techno 283 150lt (2006 €400), a second hand bic nova 165lt (2006 €400) which has an optional center fin, a new exocet s-cross mc140lt (€700) and a new starboard GO 139lt (€850).
I was thinking to buy a new Aerotech sail 6.2 or 6.8 m2 (€500 for full rig).
So far I trained on a Starboard Start 200lt and 5.5 m2 sail.
I had some friends/shops recommeding me the bic 283 or nova 165 as for the volume but other would suggest the Scross 140, more difficult in the start but faster learning!
If I would look it as cost, the Exocelt SCross 140 would have a longer life span and therefore an overall lower cost.
I would very welcome your experienced advice and look forward to any suggestion.
Thank you in advance.

28th May 2007, 01:35 AM
I have tried the Nova and it's very similar to the SB start i have been using but faster.
I have also tried the Bic 283 and is less stable and it had a small hole in the plastic nose.
After all there is a said in Italy: who spends more, spends less!
What about the Aerotech Air X or Glide 6.5m2? Do you know what price difference there is between these two and the Phantom 6.8m2?
Thanks in advance.

28th May 2007, 04:31 PM
thats quite tricky deciding what to go for. I would go for the exocet s-cross becuase you don't want to end up with 2 boards which are too similar e.g the start and bic 165. Or go for the bic 283 which is cheaper as i found the first few board you get always take more damage, putting a hole in a 700euro board is quite bad. I learned short boarding on an old bic veloce 120 ltrs and im ok on that after a few weeks so leanring on the s-cross won't be too hard. As for rig im not sure the 6.2 or the 6.8 would give you much more range compared to the 5.5. Maybe going for a 7.0 - 8.5 would be better becuase it will let you learn planning in lighter winds where its not so hard as you said that there was mainly light winds where you are. I use a second hand 7.0 on my Starboard Start and it works brilliantly. Hope it helps.

29th May 2007, 01:48 AM
Many thanks for the advice.
I found a another second hand Bic Classic 283, I will check it up tomorrow.
If it is in good condition than I will most like it go for this option as I woud not like to make a hole in a new top quality board. The only nice thing about the Scross is that if it goes trought the initial "starter abuse" than I could keep it for reasonable time (longer lifespan) and it would work out cheaper.
Somebody has advised to go for the Starboard Phantom (similar to the hybrid) but it looks a boat rather that a windsurfing board! It has center fin which supposed to be more stable and better upwind performace as I understand it but I am not sure whether it is possible planning with this board. Any suggestions?

29th May 2007, 04:44 PM
i havent used the phantom but it is a planning board as well, however if you already have/use a starboard start a phantom would not be much use as it won't be a bridge to short boarding and more high speed free ride, its more a light wind cruising/relaxing board for recrational sailors, the bic 283 would be better if you want to improve and go towards the high wind free ride and really imprve your sailing. Also as its a new board this year so it will be expensive, i would say its not what your looking for. hope this helps.

29th May 2007, 04:53 PM
adding on to my previous post: the bic 283 boards are normally quite tough so it will survive most of the abuse, and also you said you would be able to keep the s-cross for longer, that is true but you can always keep the bic 283 as a lighter wind board with a big sail once you improve. If you want a board to grow into the Bic Classic Freemove 135ltr may be a good option (previously called the techno evolution). Hope it helps.

29th May 2007, 05:22 PM
Thank you for your advise.
I have also found out that there are two models for the Scross and their costruction is different:

Scross -> Custom Sandwich Wood Fiberglass

Scross MC -> Monolithic Epoxy Construction

What is more resistant to catapult effect?

Thank you.

30th May 2007, 08:14 PM
probably the epoxy. genrally whichever one is cheaper is normally the more hardcore tough version. The woods and more expensive versions are more high performance for advance riders and they dont take catatpults and hits too well.