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AlexWind
29th June 2007, 03:15 PM
I don't know if I did something wrong: if it's so, sorry! B)

The meaning of this topic would be discuss about Futura boards when they're out and untill then make nice suppositions!
No pics untill the unveiling day! ;)

So, what do you think it'll be Futura?
A fast carve, a slower s-type, more slalom or freemove feel?
Just hazard...

P.S. I have an S-type and I love it!

Guest
29th June 2007, 04:02 PM
I've got an S-type too, a wooden 137, my first shortboard ever, love it, i'll definitely get an other one (115 or 104) in time. Well i hop it'll be more an s-type orented than a carve oriented board, there's already a freeride, the GO, excellent for beginners so i guess they'll point more, in this new project, on speed an acceleration. Besides red is a so coooooooool colour for a board! :p

On the other hand, wouldn't it be sad to lose the S-type, even if replaced by a better board? I mean there'll be no S on the deck anymore, maybe it would not be red, different graphifcs (loved particularly the 2006 ones), yes i think that it'll be sad :(



Igor Markovic
triest

crazychemical
29th June 2007, 04:51 PM
it'll be sad but on the other hand, it'll make picking a board easier for me. I've been doubting wether i should go for carve or s-type and if they merge them into one board i guess i have no choise. Still a sad thing though, the s-types were amazingly impressive.

Screamer
30th June 2007, 12:51 AM
Presuming it's true (merging Carve and Stype ranges into one), I would like to see how will Futura meet the demands of:

1. easy riding intermediates learning footstraps, carving their first gybes, etc, and
2. racers aiming for PWA superX podiums

Guest
30th June 2007, 01:06 AM
Maybe the PWA isn't doing Super X anymore? Does anyone have info on this?

Happy
30th June 2007, 03:03 AM
The PWA isn't doing Super X anymore.

Guest
30th June 2007, 08:57 AM
But lots of us want to go fast and jump, spock (or any other cool move), forward and duck-jibe. I do super X all the time everyday I go out (that`s what windsurfing is about to me I don`t have waves nearby) and would like Futura to be an even better at that than S-Type, easy to say hard to do.

MarcM

crazychemical
30th June 2007, 09:49 PM
Why no more SuperX. For the viewers it's one of the most spectacular events to watch after wave and freestyle. + a large part of the surfing population does it as it's a more freeride generated dicipline

AlexWind
30th June 2007, 10:25 PM
I liked SuperX very much too.. I think it was a great summary of what many people do on their windsurf: I agree with MarcM, many of us blasts around, jibes nice, maybe do some tricks, jumps..
That was exactly superX!!
I think they're not doing anymore for logistical reasons (difficoult to set the course "track", expensive..?), but maybe I'm wrong..

For Futura, I suppose it'be a bit more similar to Carve then to S-type..
Anyway we'll see how would it go on water..

I saw some pics and it really seams nice on the beach!!!

There are many pics of new *board products on other forums, maybe it won't be so bad to let everybody see them here.. (just wondering..)

AlexWind
3rd July 2007, 12:47 AM
Boh, since there hadn't been no cons.. here there is in black & white!

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura1bw.jpg

If I made something wrong, tell me and I will remove it: if I can put it in colours.. tell me!!!

P.S. Thanks LK

Guest
3rd July 2007, 01:40 AM
You got to be kidding !!! Can you tell at least what color it is? Thanks Alex.

Guest
3rd July 2007, 02:06 AM
Yes! What colour? Sizes??

Ciao,

AlexWind
3rd July 2007, 03:09 AM
I could tell you for sure but I don't know if can..
I'm asking starboard staff..

Very nice shape indeed anyway..

steveC
3rd July 2007, 10:52 AM
Thanks LK and Alex for the photo.

What I like about visual images is that there is a marriage between the graphics, the performance concept and the actual shape. With the squared off nose, one wonders whether the performance focus says slalom, or maybe freestyle. Still, Super X attributes could still be represented too. Considering the noticably large tail width forward that's with matched a more pulled-in tail, one must assume quick planning and enhanced maneuverability might be blended here. Really, I think the graphic layout says these things in a classic Starboard way, irrespective of the color palette being employed.

Overall though, the real secret and power in the design is in the rockerline, as that is where the realities find true expression.

Why not build some suspense with the unfolding of final details. Think about it, mid August looms not that far away.

Guest
3rd July 2007, 04:04 PM
Its got tail cutouts - hmmm.

crazychemical
3rd July 2007, 04:36 PM
It looks more like a synthesis between s-type and isonic to me ... I can't see to many carve features as was said. I hope this one, goes faster in that case :d

LK
3rd July 2007, 07:15 PM
I was interestet in a JP Supersport, as I want a 140 - 150 l 75-80 cm wide detuned slalom board with inboard strap options.

After have seen the Futura, I go for the 14X.

In several freeride test this year, the S-Types were used(with sucess), not Carves, so I belive the new board is a more performance/S-Type shape. Never got a testride on the F.

Cheers

AlexWind
4th July 2007, 03:11 AM
Since I've seen pics of Futura in my Windsurfing magazine here (it was togethere with a new Hellcat Neil Pryde sail..), I think there's no problem to post the images B)

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura3.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura4.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura5.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura9.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura10.jpg

Look now at this one: what the hell of a fin is this?!?

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futurapart.jpg

Again, many thanks to LK.

crazychemical
4th July 2007, 03:52 AM
impressive, but weird fin ... I can't explain it, but i think it's so that the lift comes more from the bottom giving it a faster run with less friction ... The outline is stil very S-type/i sonic like, the tail does look more carve-ish ... What the green board on the background?

Ola_H
4th July 2007, 04:13 AM
Thats the Drake Shallow fin. Plastic for beginners boards, like Starsurfer etc.

AlexWind
4th July 2007, 04:22 AM
Stop stop, maybe it's not the fin of futura: if you look better that board has a space for dagger and a handle on the edge.. It must be something else ;)

AlexWind
4th July 2007, 04:28 AM
Ah, the other boards!!

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/sb.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/sb1.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/sb2.jpg

windsurferdagg
4th July 2007, 05:23 AM
the new kombat looks like the flare...

Phill104
4th July 2007, 05:34 AM
In colour alone Thomas

windsurferdagg
4th July 2007, 05:39 AM
yes your right... just commenting on colour scheme. I thought the blue was the kind of standard of the kombats

Guest
4th July 2007, 10:53 AM
The 2008 graphics are AWESOME! The Kombat and the Flare, especially. Wow. Those are some sexxxxxy boards. :)

Guest
4th July 2007, 04:26 PM
Suberb design! Very attractive!

Guest
4th July 2007, 06:28 PM
Still think the 06 and 07 Kombats are way cooler. No doubt the 08 performancewise is an awsome board, but glad I got the 07 due to the graphics.

/ Andy

Guest
4th July 2007, 06:41 PM
No Andy the 2008 is great. I didn'tlike the 2007 that much. Anyway a change is refreshing. I'm amazed Starboard haven't given this thread a big delete. Not to worry. I'm sure everyone saved the pic's.

AlexWind
4th July 2007, 06:50 PM
A bit off topic but..
More about evo:

http://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11123-1/starboard-kombat-114-2008.jpghttp://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11125-1/starboard-kombat-114-2008-2.jpghttp://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11127-1/starboard-kombat-114-2008-3.jpg

Klint
4th July 2007, 08:22 PM
Anyone who's got specification and pics on the 08 iSonics? Would be very interesting to see...

hubert
5th July 2007, 02:59 AM
Klint, post your email address, I could send you some info. I got this from my a friend of mine. ;)

Hookipa18
6th July 2007, 04:53 PM
can you send info about the 2008 iSonics to Hookipa18 at yahoo dot com?
Thnx!

LK
6th July 2007, 06:32 PM
Hi Alex

Are you sure its a Evo ?

Looks more like the new Aero (Kombat 12X)

Aero -> Kombat Aero -> Kombat


Cheers

AlexWind
6th July 2007, 07:03 PM
Of course I'm.. not sure! :)
I only pick up a forum image, and there was written it was an evo but I can't be sure..

LK
6th July 2007, 07:31 PM
2 rear straps !, yellow Kombat grafics, cant read the name on the left side, but looks not like Evo,
Heard the KAE changes design back to more original AE shape( good news for Duracell, if its true).
So outline looks more like 2006 AE.
Have you seen Pics of the totaly new, top secret B) ****** ? ;)

:)

lucofede
7th July 2007, 01:49 AM
in fact the pic name is starboard-kombat-114-2008-3.jpg;)

Guest
7th July 2007, 02:33 AM
LK, that would really be a tough call (if it were true), I don't really want to separate with my ST115, the only valid A117 replacment up to date... Problem is where/when test ride new boards, till now I always had to buy'em and trade'em back (had enough of that). Till now 2 boards I don't want to separate with: K86W and ST155T, C133T and iS133 are still to be replaced.

Guest
7th July 2007, 04:15 AM
That is the Kombat, the yellow board.

Evo shown here http://www.totalwind.net/foro/viewtopic.php?t=10992&start=15

AlexWind
7th July 2007, 07:29 AM
Yes yes, that was kombat!! Sorry for the mistake! ;)

Evo for everyone!

http://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11129-1/starboard-evo-2008_001.jpghttp://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11131-1/starboard-evo-2008-2.jpghttp://www.totalwind.net/galeria/d/11133-1/starboard-evo-2008-3.jpg

Guest
9th July 2007, 09:43 AM
Hi Alex,

I don't think that's a dagger slot.

Not on a 101 ltr board, located between the footstraps!

The fin looks like the Drake shallow 400 on my old Start 180.

The red graphics on the side say Futura anyway.

Guest
9th July 2007, 09:45 AM
Hi Alex,

I don't think that's a dagger slot.

Not on a 101 ltr board, located between the footstraps!

The fin looks like the Drake shallow 400 on my old Start 180.

The red graphics on the side say Futura anyway

Rob_nz

Guest
9th July 2007, 07:43 PM
Love your work Alex.....Great job I've had trouble getting the pic's this year. I did see them on the photographers site, But they were removed before I bothered to save them....Bugger.:p

AlexWind
11th July 2007, 05:29 AM
Maybe it's not.. But I think it's not a Futura anyway.. maybe it's the new GO (even if the shape seams to be very close..).

Thanks "Guest" but I have done only the upload: the photographic compliments goes to LK ;)

Nice specs this futuras! Maybe my next board (when the 09 model would be on market of cour$e!)

Guest
23rd July 2007, 01:22 PM
Is it me or does the widest part of the futura board seem to be near the front foot straps? how will this affect speed, early planing, manovers, etc. the isonic, sonics, carves and s types had the widest part near the mast track so is a new direction for the boards? I know on august 15th we will hear about it but what your thoughts and or is it just an photo illusion?

AlexWind
23rd July 2007, 04:24 PM
I think it's a photo illusion refered to the images taken from behind the board..
If you look at this pics

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura3.jpg

http://www.cdsliguria.it/misc/futura9.jpg

you can better see that the widest part of the board is sensibely forward the position of the front straps..
We'll see anyway how this board will go on water, I think not bad at all! B)

Guest
31st July 2007, 02:24 AM
sounds like the futuras will replace the s-types. the new i-sonic looks pretty cool!

o2bnme
1st August 2007, 02:19 AM
It does.

I imagine they will improve on what has been an excellent product. But I'm a little confused on why Starboard has decided to change the name. I guess when we see the full 2008 line up it might make more sense. I am of the opinion though that you shouldn't name a product using the word 'future.' After a year, it will be an old model and no longer the future of windsurfing. What do you do for your next product name? What comes after Futura??? I guess I liked the S-Type name and would have liked to see it continued.

Dr Bibber Amsterdam
19th August 2007, 02:05 PM
Why are you confused on why Starboard has decided to change the name? We are talking about a totally new board. For me it seems logical to give it a new name. Otherwise it gets confusing for the customer. I also think 'Futura' is a simple strong name and easy to remember. So the marketing department has done a good job again.

By the way, I also have an S-Type and liked the name.

kvda
19th August 2007, 03:16 PM
Hard to believe the futura is what SB tells us. Shaping is always compromising, so curious about the first testresults of the futura, concerning speed and control especially. If it's really that good, I'll maybe change my 104 s-type for a futura 101.

Ola_H
19th August 2007, 06:45 PM
I agree all boards are compromises, but in the Futura case its not so strange actually. Even the iSonics are very smooth boards and excellent jibers when you put them on edge in a dedicated way. Add a more forgiving fin and strap placement, curvier outline and softer rails and then work super hard to get is just right and you come of with this very all round shape. Of course there are many situation where a Futura will not hold its own against an iS, but as far as I can tell (i have both a F101 and an iS101) the Futura really did keep the exciting straight line feel and exchanged only a bit of top end speed and bit of bottom end drive for a lot of extra versatility and control.

Unregistered
19th August 2007, 07:33 PM
I too find it hard to believe the marketing material - that the new Futura will be quicker and more manouvrable than the ST. Does this only apply to the larger boards in transitions etc - looking at the 93 I would have thought the ST93 would be quicker when fully powered than the Futura as the ST93 is narrower in the tail, slimmer outline, less V and in other respects is the same - rocker profile etc. The Futura also replaces the Carve and S-Type lines so I wouldn't think Starboard would create it less free-ride in nature than the Carve - Hmmm the first tests will be interesting. I recently bought a ST93 for blasting, chop jumping etc in flattish water and open ocean - this is more along the lines of what I have previously had in a F2 Axxis 272 several years ago (a very fast controllable board in its day), although the ST93 should be a lot more manouvrable and even faster. Very happy so far with the ST93. Can't wait to come up against a new Futura 93.

Cheers

o2bnme
20th August 2007, 12:59 AM
I like that SB has updated their line. I guess I feel it would have been fine to continue using the S-Type name for the new (Futura) boards instead of giving them a new name. In the case of Futura, eventually it will be replaced. When that happens what do you call it? I prefer a board's name to help to imply what the board is capable of. Sonic makes me think of speed. Kombat works for a cross-over board. Flare, yup, that works for a freestyle machine. Gemini, umm, yeah, that one fits to a T. Futura ... I don't get a sense what the board is capable of by hearing the name; just that it is something new. And when it is old, it no longer is the future. With this all said, I still want to try out the F101 & F111 to see how it can fit in my quiver! ;-)

steveC
20th August 2007, 01:55 AM
The thing about a name is that it just provides a focus and identification point for the customer. Really a name for a product is easily evolved, and it doesn't suggest much in the way of permanence, especially in a changing yearly scheme of things. When you think about it, a specific year itself might differeniate things in a significant way, even when the model name stays the same.

Personally, I like the Futura name, and I have a feeling that it will be retained for some time.

Unregistered
31st August 2007, 06:19 PM
I am planing to buy a 2008 futura, I would like to know more about the real volume of Futura 101 and 93 , so I can make the right choice. I am 85kg and I will sail on 20 to 30 knots. Can I please get some feedback????

Thanks

Gab

Ola_H
31st August 2007, 07:23 PM
I think Ian can dig up those volumes, but he's in a tight spot right now - tight in the sense of a bad network connection.

Gab, I have the F101. Whats your weight, what sails will you be using and do you have other boards covering up above and/or below the planned Futura?

Unregistered
1st September 2007, 03:54 PM
I sold my board, I have a saber 6.7 and exes 5.4, I am 85kg, Is the futura ok for jumping???

Thanks

Gab

Unregistered
6th September 2007, 11:28 AM
Hi there
I am still waiting for some answer as I'd like to order the board from my dealer, I look for the board closer to the 100 lt to use with 5mt to 7 mt sail in 20 to 30 knots of wind , I am 85kg, I didn't order my board this week, waiting for answer, hope to do it next week.

Thanks


Gab

new at it
10th September 2007, 04:25 PM
Any News Yet???

Ola_H
10th September 2007, 04:43 PM
I've talked to Ian and he will come in as soon as he gets back from the deep woods (or is it sunny beaches?).

Tiesda You
11th September 2007, 06:01 PM
Hi Gab,

Sorry for the delay in the response. We've been flat out with our annual conference that finished last week and it's been pretty crazy since catching up with everything. Had 650 emails in my inbox this morning *argh*!

The measured volumes of the Futura 93 and the Futura 101 are 94 litres and 103 litres respectively. Hope this info will be of help to you.

All the best,

Tiesda

Unregistered
11th September 2007, 06:27 PM
Thanks very much for that, I'll go for the futura 101.

Thanks

Gab