View Full Version : all this buzz of s types
30th June 2007, 11:10 AM
Are these S types really all they are cracked up to be?
The 2006 S type... The 115 L board, would it be reasonable for me to sail 7.6 down to 5.2 sails would you say? Conditions ranging from flat water to pretty choppy water?
Is it an relativly early planer compared to other superX boards out there? I know the Tabou Rocket and Fanatic Hawk both boast early planing skills.
I would typically use the S type 115 if I got it for 7.6 blasting fast on flatwater and high speed jibes, 6.6 blasting as well as the occational chop hop and maybe attempts of air jibes and vulcans etc, 5.8 where its goina be bigger chop hops and attempts at forward loops and 5.3 the same untill I get a smaller 95L ish kombat style board to replace the s type in the 5.8 down sail range.
Thanks for the help, I like the look of the s type 115, but have never really understood what their specialities were etc.
30th June 2007, 11:30 AM
I would say that you're on the right track with the S-Type 115, but from what I understand a 7.6 might be pushing it a bit. Not too far off though. May be someone that owns one can advise you better about whether the 7.6 is viable. I've got a friend that sails the S-Type 115, and he really likes it for blasting around, and it appears to handle mixed ocean chop very well. I think the board would be ideal with your 5.0, 5.8 and 6.6 sails, although it would probably be advisable to fin down some with a 5.0.
1st July 2007, 02:36 AM
I use my ST115 with a 7.5 quite often and it works but, its a 2007 model with a larger fin, so you might have to match the fin.
ST115 does rock and I think it could be the right addition to your Go
1st July 2007, 02:40 AM
Addition to the Go? I am talkin about replacing the go. I am tired of all the extra volume that is only used for not moving style sailing. If I am moving just a bit, I am fine on a 120ish litre board no problem. Maybe even 110 L... I want something that isn't a carve to replace my Go
any suggestions other than the s type though?
1st July 2007, 03:20 AM
- Go 4 u == light wind range (8-14kts)
- ST115 as well as any other board not ~80 cm wide != (not equal) light wind range!
I know what you want but it isn't realistic!
light wind == wide board because the tail of the board plus massive fin supports your weigth keeping most of the board out of the water == speed AND early planing!
if you think u can go 4 a smaller board think again!
you need different board 4 different conditions!
lets say 15-25 kts: a ST115 will put a big smile on your face! The Go won't but the ST115 won't put a smile on your face in 8-14 kts!
u need at least 2 different boards!
1st July 2007, 07:38 AM
I want to replace the go... with another board, around 120 litres that will be my lightwind board when I get a smaller board but for now, will be my only board... like what the Go is right now (my one board).. I can get planing faster with my friends hypersonic (105 L) and his kombat (95 L) before my Go gets up. I just want something more "performance" oriented for my light wind board. Not a carve either or an isonic. I need something that I will sail with a 7.6 and 6.6 mostly once I get a smaller board for 5.8 conditions down. I am a lightweight and don't need a big board. I weigh 140-150 pounds tops...
1st July 2007, 10:32 AM
Although I don't want to get in a contest with others that have posted earlier, I know that at your weight (I weight 70kgs), the S-Type should be quite viable in the 5.8 and 7.0 ranges, especially considering the 13 to 20 knot averages. Hey, a few fin modifications can readily ensure more specific performance at the low end and high ends. Regardless, a focused fin quiver will ultimately benefit you no matter what you decide on. If you weighed 200lbs, I wouldn't be offering such an optimistic scenario. At your weight though, the S-Type 115 should offer great mid-range performance. In the very lightest and heaviest of winds, you'll need either a smaller or larger board to truly optimize, but from what I gather you're talking mid range. From the comments from the guest poster immediately after me earlier post, a sail a large as 7.5 was quite doable. Even if the that was debatable, you're going to be easily styling in the mid range.
Frankly, I would keep the GO139 to back up your light wind game with the 7.6. If anything, it would help teaching friends that might be interested in windsurfing. It might test them a bit, but at least you have something for your girlfriend to play with, unless she's bigger girl.
1st July 2007, 02:37 PM
I want something that isn't a carve to replace my Go
I'm interested to hear why you think a carve is not the board for you?
1st July 2007, 05:06 PM
why get rid of the go? If you want a lightwind board, it's one of the best options in the SB range. In addition to it you'd need a 110-115 L board for medial winds because after a while the go does slow down compared to others whereas eg the S-type only starts cracking. And idd, why not carve? it's got a bigger sailrange and is more movement oriented then the s-type. After that, it's just a question of getting a 80 L ish board for the good winds ... I don't see why ur so ancious to get rid of the Go, all the sailors who have one, or have had one, keep it for light wind because of it's width; it's much wider than any board in it's volume category and thus planes faster in it's windrange (see formula boards). ...
What board you choose after the Go is up to you and your right making an informed choice, but none of us see why you need to put the Go away ...
2nd July 2007, 01:42 AM
Cxxx nice boards well balanced good to learn things on but as soon as you got things dailed you'd want an SType.
I think you have a number of issues you haven't quite grasped yet:
- need for speed : as soon as you get hooked you want iS or ST and definitely not C or similar
- need for fun : C is okay (small letters), ST is much better and Kombat could be what you might be looking for.
- need for bump and jump : ST115, K79
The problem is:
getting on a plane is "nice" but flying is much nicer (you can get on a plane with smaller boards but they are just f!cking slow)!
- early planing fast etc. (e.g keep your Go or go for an iS (technora in your case so 145))
- second board would be an ST115 (Technora)
- third board would be ab K79 or even smaller (wood or Technora)
that way you have speed in light to medium winds and pure fun in higher winds
maybe you have a technique problem with your go. It should plane earlier than a Hyper/Carve etc.
2nd July 2007, 02:20 AM
I have an S-type 115 and I have sailed it successfully with a 7.5 sail a lot. No problem. Anyway 7.5 is also the limit. If you want a bigger sail get a bigger board. For 7.5 I use a 37 cm freeride fin.
Regarding the St 115 as an only board option I decided to do the same two years ago. Sold all the bigger gear and stayed with the ST and three sails.... MISTAKE... even though the ST is a fantastic board (I can easily clock + 30 knots on mine and it jibes and jumps well) it's NOT a light wind board unless you are a very light person (I'm 97 kgs)..
I lost 60% of my TOW... Now I'v got a formula 159 as a supplement.
2nd July 2007, 07:12 AM
Well.... Lots of responses at once. Where to start...
I want a board that isn't a carve just because I don't really like how the carve rides. I would rather have something dedicated to manueverablility and jumping power etc compared to just being able to go in a straight line and jibe easily. It is hard to explain. I just don't really like the carve line perhaps. A baised opinion I guess.
As for wanting to get rid of the go... ITS SO HEAVY! I want something like the Go I guess for lighter winds, but without all the un needed features like the beginner and intermediate footstraps, the side fin holes, the nose handle, the center handle... I just want something lighter.
I just had a nice sesh that I just got back from where I was juiced on a 7.6 sail, the 48 cm fin and semi flat water/rolling swell. This is where the Go "shines" or has its moments. It takes a while to get going, but once up its reasonably fast. If you get dialed in, where you are just comfertable, legs straight, hiked out over the water and everything, its not bad, but for me... I want to go FASTER! and jump higher... The go is so hard to lift up unless you have a smaller fin or it suddenly gets lighter. Sure if I hit a knee high ramp, im airborn... but who sails a 139 L board in knee high chop!
Since many people say get a bigger board than a 115 L, what do others suggest a size/model? I am only 140 pounds or I think 64 kg? I can get planing pretty fast on smaller boards.
And the carve thing? I guess I don't like having something thats ok at everything. I would rather have something that is dedicated to going fast, or jumping etc. I thought the s type would be good. maybe in a 125 L?
Tell me what you think,
2nd July 2007, 08:40 AM
Now that I think about it... since the last time I looked, t he carves seem a bit better.
Here is the perfect description of what I want... Like I said in my above post, I want something with straight line speed and when the chop builds up a bit, something to boast reasnable jumps with. Something like the carve 111... or the 121 but I am not going to go out in under 7.6 conditions, so It has to handle a 7.6 well too... Buying a fin is an option too.
2nd July 2007, 01:32 PM
At 64 kgs the ST 115 is pretty big with a 7.5 sail for you (for me at 97 kgs that equals the biggest Carve with a +10 sail... theoretically)
You won't get planing in 8 knots though but with the right technique you will get going quite early... And the ST accelerates seriousely well, it's FAST, and it jumps and carves gooood, though in a very aggressive manner compared to the carves.
Try one if you can..:p
2nd July 2007, 04:35 PM
I really think you will fined the carves a lot better than your opinion of them. I know a number of people who have switched fro stypes this year to the carves to get a wider wind range without much loss in speed.
The stypes, I felt, had quite a narrow wind range and liked to be nicely powered up but not too overpowered. The carve works in all conditions and when it get really lumpy is easier to control. You should at least demo both models before you decide and maybe a Kombat at the same time. The Kombat is a very versatile board, while not as fast as the other two it will handle most conditions and jumps really well.
3rd July 2007, 12:02 AM
Just get a Carve. You will be far more imppressed with that than the S type. A well sailed Carve will match S type all day long and make loads more of the gybes.
A 121 would be fine.:p
Dont listen to the BS about carves being slow. They aint !
3rd July 2007, 03:49 AM
how about first geting a GPS and then determining what board your want. Cxxx are slow (might not feel that way but they are!)
Cxxx on the other hand is something good to learn things on. Maybe a seanson or two on a Carve and then an ST or whatever is then best to have then...
If you want speed in lighter winds a iS or Manta/Tracer is what you want.
In the end you will need at least 3 boards.
3rd July 2007, 11:01 AM
Ya I might just keep the Go for light winds or get a hypersonic (I tried my friends and liked it... it planes really fast) from 03 or 04 so its cheaper, and spend the rest of the money I get from my Go towards something around the 90-100 L board range... maybe an s type 93 or a kombat 95 or something. You think that would be better?
3rd July 2007, 11:17 AM
You're really all over the map about what you want. Where's reality here? Sooner or later one must pick a path and decide. Based on your mixed messages, you still might be too fussy and unfocused to think the situation out clearly. I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but the endless circle reveals your lack of clarity about what you really want.
3rd July 2007, 05:58 PM
You dont want an S type thats a fact.
If they were half as good (or fast) as made out #B would not be dropping them !
BTW in right conditions no board is slow. Look back at some "old" speed results.
F2 Axis 41 knots ????
Seen 35 knots on my carve ! (10 second acerage too!)
Slow sailors reckon carve is slow; thats all it is.:p
3rd July 2007, 10:32 PM
yah I am sure I want something to replace my go. A lot of local sailors have suddenly started giving me ideas so I am swamped. The reason I found out about the hypersonic was I sailed it two days ago with a 7.6 and it planes very fast, is really fun and is incredibly fast :) I can also get one in the 111 L range for around 800. If I sold my go, I would hope to get maybe 1000-1100 and the rest of the money can go towards a nice 90-100 L board.
I have been thinking a lot, and I like the idea of what I said above. That would give me the option of when the conditions are flat or in light winds, I can speed sail with the hypersonic, and when conditions are heavyer and choppier or I just want more manueverablility, I can get the 90-100 L board. Just trying to figure out for bump and jump what board. An s type 93, a kombat 95, a carve 99, etc.
Sorry for the confusion... You are right steveC I have been all over the map with what I want. I have spent a lot of time (since I am now off school) thinking of boards, reading reviews etc.
The hypersonic 111 from 04 and the kombat 95 from 05-07 or the s type 93. Here in ottawa, canada, we get a lot of mixed conditions. If it is southern winds, we get flatter conditions great for speed sailing. If we get north conditions its very choppy.
What does everyone think? is the s type good or not. Some people say its great, others say its only good in ideal winds.
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