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squiz53
3rd September 2007, 09:55 PM
I am a 100 k sailer whose light wind gear consists of a Fanatic mega cat (still great fun to sail in light airs to 20kts but slow to plan compared to a formula board - although I have reached speeds of 24+) , a starboard carve 145 (easy board to sail but slow top speed - again 24) and a F2 Xantos 295 (this is faster 27+ and can handle a bigger sea) I use Ezzy infinity's, 6.6,7.5 and 8.5 and a tushingham Lightning 9.4 which are great,I have tried a friends North warp 10.9 which I found very heavy and uncomfortable to sail.
I am now getting fed up with friends with formula gear planing earlier and going faster in 8 to 15 and having tried formula boards I'm not a great lover of 1m boards with 70cm fins and was wondering if there was an alternitive eg a big modern slalom board like a - 2006 Starboard Isonic 135 for example.I am looking for something 2/3 years old as funds are abit tight.

Unregistered
3rd September 2007, 11:50 PM
im no expert in this field or anything but if you dont get on too well with formulas maybe you can find an F-Type, you may be able to find one second hand as they were discontinued in 2007 and replaced by the larger i-sonics. just a thought if you find one of these.

Unregistered
4th September 2007, 12:06 AM
I'm no expert, either. But there HAS to be something better than a formula board out there for your needs. Formula is not a good reaching freeride board. It is over-finned on reaches, and becomes relatively unstable at high speeds. It was designed for the slower-speed upwind and downwind legs of a race course. Racers dread the reaches. Freeriders in our area who want to plane early are finally realizing this.

Unregistered
4th September 2007, 03:52 PM
at your weight and funds being a problem I would definetly NOT go for a iS135!
2 reasons
- its fragile
- its wood == if it isn't already broken it will be shortly after you use it.

Go for an FType 137 DRAM or the likes but make sure whatever light wind board you get that it isn't wood!

100 Kg & wood == short board life.

Hookipa18
4th September 2007, 07:54 PM
at your weight and funds being a problem I would definetly NOT go for a iS135!
2 reasons
- its fragile
- its wood == if it isn't already broken it will be shortly after you use it.

Go for an FType 137 DRAM or the likes but make sure whatever light wind board you get that it isn't wood!

100 Kg & wood == short board life.

I'm not 100kgs, but 90+ and my wood boards look like new after two seasons... (iSonic 125 and F160)

Unregistered
4th September 2007, 10:14 PM
- iS125 is not light wind (comparision doesn't work)
- F160 does, but then again, its made (should) for huge fins and the accompanying huge pressure under rear footpads so as long as you stay on them you'll be fine.

another little thing to take into account: repairing a DRAM/technora is a job you can take care of yourself and live with the results (like 1 / repair). Try putting a hole in your wood board (very easy) and having it repaired propery: 200 and it still looks like shit. So if funds are a problem -> dram/technora all the way, cheaper, stonger and only a wee bit heavier!

Per
5th September 2007, 12:50 AM
Hi
Funny, I had a Carve 145 and a Tushingham Lightning 9.4 too. I'm 97 kgs and clocked 28.9 knots with the 9.4 and +30 with smaller sails on the Carve 145. It's not a slow board at all, but it has to be sailed very much on the aft of the board. It's quite an early planing combo too.
I used to hate formula too, but after switching to a F159 and a Tushingham Lightning 10.3 I must admit that they (the newer short designs, NOT the older ones) do have a lot of freeride potential.
They do reach quite well actually, they are fast, control is very much better than they look (100 cm wide with 70 fin). Cruising potential is HUGE and time on the water extended a lot if you live in a low wind area.
Only disadvantage is that some of them are quite fragile.

squiz53
5th September 2007, 02:08 AM
Hi All
thanks for the replys - all very interesting.

Pers sounds like you got your 145 to fly - I must try harder and I like the idea of the lightning 10.3 with a formula board as I am really impressed with the 9.4 .

Per
5th September 2007, 05:50 PM
Hi squiz.
The Lightning is a very impressive sail indeed. The 10.3 feels very much like the 9.4, just with more bottom end. I had a chance to try one of the new Neil Pryde RS6 10.7 race sails, just for a comparison.
They NP's do point higher than the Lightning, and they are a good toy for serious racing but it felt way more heavy and slow handling than the Lightning.
And.... The price of the Lightning included the mast is less than the NP without mast. And... I've never had a Tushingham sail that broke.

Unregistered
6th September 2007, 12:07 AM
i would agree with that last post, tushinghams are pretty much all 100pounds cheaper than their equivilant neil pryde, and as for high performance stuff, neil pryde RS racing 10.7= 999pounds, tushingham x-15 10.8 (new one) 499pounds. 500pounds cheaper! and i think your getting a sail thats just as good if not better!

James
7th September 2007, 12:47 AM
Hi Squiz,

If you want to get planing earlier than you do on your longboard or carve, but you don't want to get a formula with 70 cm fin and 11 m sail, you might consider a hybrid board. I've enjoyed the mistral prodigy a lot, but I hear the newer hybrids are even better, with planing performance that is closer to a formula board. Starboard's hybrid formula got good reviews, as did the Exocet Pacer 300 (in the video below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKUZRibvPI

-James

squiz53
7th September 2007, 04:00 AM
Hi James

thanks for the link - looks a good board!!!
I have a F2 Lightning (details below) which I bought secondhand for my 20 year old son to sail (for cruising with me,learning waterstarting,getting into footstraps etc)I have sailed it a few times but find it sluggish to plan because it is quite heavy.Perhaps I'll look for a 10.3 tushingham Lightning(as I like the 9.4 alot)and give it another go.What sails do you use with your Mistral Prodigy?

Stephen

F2 Lightning 2007(Reference #9)
The F2 Lightning - an old familiar name, yet a completely new board concept. All advantages of classic race boards and formula boards were combined in one shape. Equipped with the cut-outs and the new bump-deck, the Lightning Regatta offers windsurfers 100% high-tech allowing them to be the fastest both in weak winds under 8 knots and in planing winds up to 30 knots.Flat scoop-rocker line over a board length of 285 cm for perfect performance under both planing and weak wind conditions
Wide tail, straight outline, and long straight rails for early planing, easy upwind moves at weak winds, and full control with dynamic riding properties at strong winds. Bump-deck for better foot grip when pumping

Mono-concaves at the front for a smooth ride through choppy waters and a strong lift for very early planing. Double concaves near the mast rail help avoid hitting the chop too hard. A flat V in the tail for maximum speed .

Extremely wide bevels cause the board to tilt to the lee side when not planing, which on the one hand produces less friction on the side of the board facing the wind and, on the other, offers a lot of edge surface to cross faster and higher.

Carbon Wood Sandwich

Lightning length width weight volume fin N/S Course sail tba
Lightning 285 88cm 225 12.5 d tuttle 65 6-12.0m 1189



Price : 1,188.99 Including VAT at 17.5%

James
8th September 2007, 09:03 AM
Oh, I was confused. I didn't realize you already had a hybrid board because I thought your F2 lightning was the OLD F2 lightning, which was a narrow longboard.

That changes my advice. My new advice is: 1) Stick with the F2 lightning, 2) get as big a sail as you can handle, 3) work on your tuning and technique. Wide boards often need some serious sail pumping and bearing off the wind to pop over the planing threshold, even when there's plenty of wind to maintain a plane after initiation. The amount of downhaul and outhaul on your sail, the height of the boom, and the position of the mast foot can all make a difference, too.

My sail for early planing on the Prodigy was a 10.6. It got me going in about 10 knots. I had a 9.4, too, but that took about 12 knots to get going, which was a significant difference. I'm 72 kg.

Good luck.