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Unregistered
28th March 2008, 03:49 AM
Hi,

I have different possibilities to choice. How to rate it?:

1) NP RS-Slalom MKII 7.8 with X6 mast.
2) NS RAM-F8 7.8 with 100% Carbon mast.
3) Severne Code RED2 7.7 with 100% Carbon mast.
4) Gaastra Vapor 7.6 with 100% Carbon mast.

I’m 85Kg. Sail to RACE with ISonic 105 between 13 to 17 knots.

Thanks in advanced! Any feedback will be useful!!

SRLL

DEN-137
28th March 2008, 02:22 PM
hi !

severne code-red 2008 is very good say Brian Røgild (den-173). get more infomation on www.severnesails.com

Patrick DEN-137

Unregistered
28th March 2008, 02:50 PM
You can't be serious DEN-137. Severne sails look crappy with all that red paint splattered all over them. C'mon mate ... can't you see gimmicks when it is right in front of you!? Even if the performance was awesome (which it's not) I would never be seen with such a ridiculous looking sail.

My vote:
FIRST PLACE = (2) North & (4) Gaastra
SECOND PLACE = (1) NP
DEATH
THEN Severne.

Based on performance, the safest bet would be the NP except with you would be using with an X6 which then sways the balance to the North & Gaastra with the 100% mast. The North RAMs are great and should be slightly cheaper than the Vapour (as the Vapour is the full race sail comparable to the WARP. I think the materials of the Gaastra are better however.

As Barry Spanier says .... " Upgrade your mast BEFORE your sail !!!! "

geo
28th March 2008, 03:04 PM
Why not Maui Sails TR-4 7,6 (and proper mast)?
If you can, give it a try, but remember it's quite different from usual. If you are accostumed to NP or North, you could end up with an overtensioned, "empty" sail. Be sure to rig it with less downhaul than ususal: stated settings will do, mind the large drop tack is deceiving, take care to have the web tensioner around the extension and not around the universal. Boom neutral or slightly negative. You will be surprised as the sail simply doesn't pull sideways: propulsion only. Take advantage of that by not oversheeting it; again, if you are used to "other" brands you will tend to grab the boom and pull trying to get "that" feel, but this sail works different. If you do everything OK, you will find yourself holding a sail that feels light in the wind, planes by itself and propels your board effortlessly to speeds that with other sails would require lots of physical resources... that you will save, and use to deal comfortably with the strongest gusts.
In other terms: don't rule it out as it can be a really nice surprise, and remember it's different.

Agree with unregistered: good proper mast is even more important than the sail. This would automatically rule out the NP RS:SL + X6 from your list. I understand one can feel unsafe to buy 100% NP masts, as they even limit warranty to 6 months, but then in my view the right choice is "other brand", not X6.

Papounet
28th March 2008, 04:51 PM
13/17 Kts for 85 Kg with iSonic 105, choose the more powerfull one..........

Unregistered
28th March 2008, 06:48 PM
Thanks for all feedbacks !!

My first feeling would be the Vapor, but its the smaller one with a 460-25 IMCS mast.

RAM-F8 is also 4-cambered but bigger. It's not a WARP, but it can be used with a 490-28 IMCS mast.

TR-4 needs its a top tip mast, too specific mast !!

I'm agree to get the most powerful, but I don't which is the one: some times some sizes are not the best in the same family (for example seems that RS-S 6,2&6,8 where better than RS-R same sizes on 2007).

Thanks,

SRLL.

LK
28th March 2008, 07:18 PM
The Code Red 2008 has significant more power than in 2007(more shape low in the sail), but still some backhand pressure left and a good balance of tension and leach twist.

So when comparing the sails mentioned in #1, no doubt the priority is

1) Severne Code RED2 7.7 with 100% Carbon mast or Gaastra Vapor 7.6 with 100% Carbon mast.
2) NS RAM-F8 7.8 with 100% Carbon mast.
3) NP RS-Slalom MKII 7.8 with X6 mast.
F8 and RS-Slalom are more comparable with Severne Overdrive

Regarding masts : Severne Redlines proofed their top quality the last 3 years, X6 holds fine, Gaastra had some problems last year.
:-) Steve Allan secured his title at the 2008 Oceanic & Australian Formula Windsurfing Championships, by using Jesper Orths Severne Redline mast in the Vapor.The Gaasta mast broke.

If extending the choices the TR4 would be an option too.

The best looking sail on the water is the Code Red for sure. :-)
Cheers

LK
28th March 2008, 07:48 PM
Just seen there is a test report of the new Code Red on www.severnesails.com

I used the 7,7 CR 2007 with 490 cm redline, worked fine, don’t know if it works on CR 2008 too.

7,7 m2 race sail normally needs to work in a huge range, so a 460 cm mast gives you a bigger range I think, feels light and good acceleration.
490 cm, rig feels stiffer, but better performance for heavy rider in max. powered conditions


Cheers

Unregistered
29th March 2008, 07:50 AM
1st choice : North Warp or Ram
2nd choice: Point-7 AC1 (wonderfull!!)

Then others..

Unregistered
29th March 2008, 11:32 AM
QUOTE "The best looking sail on the water is the Code Red for sure. :-) "

Hahahahahaahah
Hahahahahaha

That made me laugh out loud .. seriously! Because I know that you are joking! :)

geo
29th March 2008, 02:43 PM
unregistered (post #6),
note that bend curves for Maui Sails TR-4 are 100% compatible with Gaastra masts. Personally, I own a Gaastra Ignition 100% carbon race 460/25 as a backup for my MS SRS 100 mast, and worked/works perfectly well on TR-2, TR-3 and TR-4. Main difference as far as I see is that Maui Sails masts are built stronger and slightly heavier. So if you rule out TR-4s because of mast bend, you should as well rule out Vapors.

When comparing different sails for power, remember to sort forward pull from sideways pull! The first one is what propels you; the second is what makes you need more fin and/or more angle of attack, both things that slow you down. Many sails will feel "powerful" because of lateral pull, but in reality are just hard to sail.

Unregistered
29th March 2008, 06:19 PM
Thanks for your feedback Geo !!

I could be wrong, but from first Vapors (2006) to the last ones (2008), the needed mast is moving from hard top to a constant curve bending. This datas can be checked at:

http://www.peterman.dk/masts-all-imcs01.htm

Ignition 2007 are "constant curve" mast, compared with the 2006 and previous.

For this reason seems possible use other mast brands than Gaastra on Vapors.

Thanks,

SRLL.

EirikB
29th March 2008, 08:26 PM
Isen't the cod red just fore hardwind sailing?
to lillele bottmpower!?

Eirik Bakken
Nor-321

geo
29th March 2008, 09:55 PM
unregistered (post #12),
let me have your e-mail address and I'll share my info with you, so that you can decide whether it's reliable or not. Gaastra bends are the same as Maui Sails: what applies to one, will to the other too.
Don't know what about the 550 mast going softer in the top, but I see the Peterman site gives no info about the Gaastra 460/25 100% that fits the 7.6 Vapor.

Unregistered
30th March 2008, 03:19 AM
Sent MP with my email.
Thanks,
SRLL.

DEN-137
31st March 2008, 12:40 AM
to Unregistered. severne sails designs are cool, and the are not the design there sail fast but the sail :)

Unregistered
31st March 2008, 02:35 PM
geo, im pretty sure that maui sails and gasstra bend curves were similar, but recently i believe the gaastra mast has been made more constant curve to match the wider market. Check "http://www.gaastra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=514&start=0" for a discussion of the gaastra mast.

geo
31st March 2008, 10:07 PM
In that thread, lots of doubts, no answers. OK, let's put it this way: if I had any doubts about mast compatibility between Maui Sails and Gaastra, and since both masts are built by the same manufacturer, the best thing would be to ask the manufacturer directly. No one can know better than them how the masts are built.

geo
1st April 2008, 12:22 AM
I forgot the main point...
In my view, if Maui Sails (and Gastra?) use different bends there is a reason. A Maui Sails rig bends and reacts to the wind over its total length, while others do so only over a small (top) fraction of it. With Maui Sails, you feel the sail "load" like a spring when a gust hits. When I switched from a Neil Pryde RS:3 7.5 to a TR-2 7.6 (both classic, narrow sleeve designs) the difference was quite sensible. This requires the ability to design a sail that accomodates huge changes in leading edge shape while sailing, and I believe this is not common. However, "low (8 - 10) bend charachteristic" mast bends such as Maui Sails' bring a real advantage compared to "classic" (12) or "mainstream" (14 - 16) ones, expecially to normally sized and fit sailors. I would suggest the purchase of such masts as a very sound investment in first place, and the move to suitable sails as a consequence; rather than vice versa.

steveC
1st April 2008, 12:39 AM
I think poster 17 is right in that Gaastra modified their bend curve in 2007, as it coincides with discussion I've read on the Maui Sails Forum. Yet, before the changes introduced in 2007 (at least throughout Barry Spanier's tenure at Gaastra), the bend curve was the same as now recommended by Maui Sails.