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windsurferdagg
28th April 2008, 08:04 AM
Hello Roger!

Haven't used the forum in a while, but have a quick question. I am still sailing the hypersonic, and love it, but am starting to see a problem with it. Got my first session in yesterday with a 5.8 Ezzy SE WAVE and the hyper in VERY marginal conditions (I was going to do some freestyle practice). I found that in the gusts, I could manage to pump onto the plane with a lot of effort, but I was so inefficient due to my straps. It would take me 1-2 seconds to literally dig my feet into the straps (its still rather cold water here so booties are a must). The strap screws on the front footstap on the starboard side seem to be loose. I tightened them but the footstrap still slips around. Any way to fix this? I cannot seem to see whats wrong with the setup.

How is Hatteras? I hear you met the talented Scott MacDonald! I will be down their next year since college students get off school in April! Have a few questions about allergies and Hatteras, but that can wait for another time.

Thanks for your always outstanding help,

Thomas
www.tdaggws.blogspot.com

Roger
28th April 2008, 01:12 PM
Hi Thomas,
I was wondering why you didn't come down here with Scott?
As far as your footstrap problem, take the screws out and check the anti twist devices (the little black plastic plates with a round tang on one side and a bunch of little "spikes" on the other side.
Also check to see that you have the correct "oval toothed washer" on top of the footstrap under the screw.
It could be that your anti-twist devices have been damaged (by looser than normal FS screw tightening) and they need to be replaced.
Also check that the area where the little "spikes" engage on the bottom side of your footstraps is not all torn up so the spikes can no longer hold the angle of the footstrap.
If the oval toothed washers are "buckled down" in the center, you might add a thin SS washer (like you use on the fin screws) over the toothed washer to get it to engage in the footstrap a little better.
I'll look for you next spring!
Hope this helps,

prpa
28th April 2008, 09:13 PM
hi
Roger i had post few weeks ago regarding FUTURA133 + 9.0 sail WHICH FIN?

and finaly today I put board into the sea, and I had a lot problems with
Footstraps, I have shoe 46 + boots and it was impossible to enter straps
that kind of problem I did not have with 2006 Carve, so I think I will have to
take straps from my old board, which is realy ... :mad:
Straps on the board is DRAKE and it was so hard to enlarge arc, ...
Any way :(

Roger
29th April 2008, 03:14 AM
Hi prpa,
Did you mount the new straps on your Futura in the outermost holes (the farthest to the front in the front and the farthest to the rear in the back?
I'd suggest opening up the velcro cove on the strap, and then pull the little velcro'd
adjustment strap fully forward and make sure that it is not caught or hung up under the
small metal wire "bail" that should be at the front of each footstrap.
If you pull the strap looser and tighter a few times, it will "free up" the different layers and should allow you to adjust the straps normally.
Also, a few sessions and a few adjustments will have the straps adjusting a bit more normally.
I know it sounds wrong, but sometimes pulling the strap in the "tighter" direction gets the various layers of velcro'd nylon strap and the cover sliding alot more easily.
I'll forward your comment to Staboard HQ.
Did you have any problem getting the FS screws (6mm x 28 mm PT Screws) to start in your board on the initial installation of the straps?
Hope this helps,

afblaster
29th April 2008, 03:28 PM
As a long-time Starboard user, I find that the current footstraps are appalling. Without exception, everyone using the new Futuras and iSonics at my local sailing spot are complaining about how difficult it is to adjust them to make them big enough, and when and if they do succeed, how they shrink back to their original size when the board is not in use. Even the dealer agrees, saying "the current Starboard footstraps are crap".

The problem is caused by the thick neoprene padding attached to the inside of the bottom of the footstrap cover. This padding does not stretch readily and so prevents the cover from lengthening to the desired size. If, instead, this padding were attached to the underside of the lower velcro'd strap, then the footstrap cover would stretch to the required size without restriction, and moreover would not shrink back to its original size when not in use.

My solution is to use DaKine Contour footstraps, but why should I have to spend another 60 to replace the standard straps, just to make my new board useable? Other owners are fitting other board manufacturer's straps.

In my and many other's opinion Starboard should address this problem without delay, and supply us with straps that are fit for their purpose.

prpa
29th April 2008, 03:39 PM
HI
i notice the same. Night before I was puling them to increase arc, and
what I could see after surfing THAT THEY SHRINK!!!!:confused:

After that I put back my straps from Carve and I will try to claim new
set from the dealer!

I think that Starboard should approve this claim and send us new straps!:cool:

seasharp
29th April 2008, 04:10 PM
I'm one of the sailors afblaster refers to, I sail a Futura 133.
The only way I can use the straps is by unhooking one of the screw cover pockets off one end of the strap. This allows the strap to expand when you pull it, unfortunately it also allows them to contract very easily.

The main problem with the straps is extracting the foot, you just can't. The frustration of not being able to release the front foot half way through a gybe has caused me to curse Starboard and wish I had bought a JP.

In desperation I also wasted my money on a set of Starboard racing straps without any padding but these just gripped the rubber on my boots also making extraction of the foot very difficult.

I also wonder if the fish scale deck pads are adding to the problem. Perhaps Starboards can only be used barefoot?

I think Starboard should issue free redesigned straps to all the unhappy Starboard owners. I know of 2 people who won't be buying Futuras because of the straps. I only hope the rest of the board has been designed and made better than the straps.

prpa
30th April 2008, 03:45 AM
I agree,
I think that for this kind of money we shell get
PRODUCTS WITHOUT PROBLEMS :cool:

Philip
31st May 2008, 12:59 PM
Yep, most if not all of the Starboard sailors in my local area have after- market footstraps of the kind that stand up and will bounce back when trodden on and not go all S shaped when wet.

afblaster
1st June 2008, 04:10 PM
IMO it's about time Starboard put in an appearance on this thread, to answer these points.
After all, we pay top dollar for a premium product and expect to get it, not some half-baked, 'these-will-do', RUBBISH FOOTSTRAPS which make the board unusable, forcing us to buy after-market straps to use it.
My dealer butchers the neoprene cover which allows the straps to go large enough, but this doesn't prevent them collapsing subsequently. If you want to see an example of good, simple to adjust footstraps which maintain their profile, have a look at the DaKine Primos.

Is there anybody in there?

Starboard?

prpa
2nd June 2008, 04:09 PM
I agree,
we as a customers should get some official feedback
from the Starboard, what is their solution for a problem.

My diler also suggest me to "butcher" straps, but I took
straps from 2006 Carve model, and I am useing them.
:cool:

Ellen Faller
2nd June 2008, 09:46 PM
Hello Afblaster,
Sorry, but neither Roger nor I work for Starboard, and are half way around the globe from headquarters so we aren't able to provide an answer to your request for info about the footstraps. They aren't my favorite either, but it was easy enough to replace them. I'd rather have a board that I like, and change the footstraps than to buy a board that had foostraps I liked but the board wasn't so good. Those a just my opinions, since you asked. Others may have other opinions.
cheers,
Ellen

Ken
2nd June 2008, 10:59 PM
My take on the foot straps - I have an iS 111, which has the same straps. On my first 5-6 outings, I couldn't get the straps big enough for my winter booties. However, after continued use, I was able to adjust them larger so that they eventually worked well.

When I changed to my summer booties (slightly smaller than the winter ones), the straps kept getting larger (streatching), so I adjusted them smaller. Now they are just right and continue to stay at the current size.

Should we have to go through this process to get the straps set correctly? Probably not, but in time, they should work just fine. They are quick and easy to adjust, Starboard just needs to find a solution to the streatching.

Roger
4th June 2008, 12:17 PM
Hi all,
As Ellen suggests here, we are not part of the Starboard organization (at least not the part that gets paid by Starboard HQ in Bangkok, Thailand) so we cannot comment "officially" for Starboard.
I will try to get someone from the "official" Starboard organization to comment here, but I suspect that they know the 2008 footstraps are causing some customers some problems.
I agree with Ken here also.
If I put in a little extra effort to get the footstraps opened up when I install them, they seem to work quite well.
As to getting Starboard to go back to 3 hole K9 Lock inserts, I'm in favor of that to help with this problem overall, but again, I have no "official" say so in these matters and if I object too strenuously, or cause too many problems/issues, I may get no support at all.
Hope this helps,

afblaster
4th June 2008, 03:18 PM
Thank you Ellen and Roger. Any help you can give to resolve this problem is very much appreciated.

I have given up trying to use them, but I own 3 Starboards and I have had to replace all the straps,
at considerable expense, with DaKine Contour straps. This is just to be able to use my boards without having to mess with the Starboard straps each and every sailing session.

To repeat - Starboard should supply straps fit for their purpose.

prpa
4th June 2008, 04:32 PM
Hi Roger
I am glad that our "voice" will reach Starboard. This is my second new
board from Starboard (Carve 2006, Futura 2008) and form company
that advice itself by "Inovation through quality" I expect only perfect product.

prpa
13th June 2008, 04:56 AM
I solve problem with buying QUALITY footstraps from DAKINE, model PRIMO.
Easy to adjust, stable in form, ...
Any how our older people have one visdome :
"THERE IS NO NEED TO INVENT HOT WATER .."

Ken
18th June 2008, 11:41 PM
prpa,

There is some merit to "THERE IS NO NEED TO INVENT HOT WATER ..". However, windsurfing has made incredible gains over the last couple of decades because of INNOVATION. I don't fault *board for trying something new, but a bit more testing before putting these straps into production would have been a good idea.

I am glad that I didn't go out and replace all my straps, because now that they are broken in, they are great.

Ola_H
19th June 2008, 03:42 AM
I personally like the current straps a lot, but I agree they are difficult when you want to make the very big. You need to work with them a lot and then they will indeed shrink again between sessions. It's a tradeoff between easy of adjustability and some other things and the comparable DaKine strap I have on one of my boards (ProForm) behave in the same way. So, if one wants to keep the easy of adjustability, maybe it is not so easy after all. For me, since I change between boots and no boots all the time because of the different spots I sail, the adjustability. I think it would be a bad thing if we had to go back to old slow adjusting straps. But at the same time something obviously have to be done to fit you big footed guys in. I don't personally know what is being done for 09, but as Rogers says, the development guys know about the problem.

Ola_H
23rd June 2008, 06:20 AM
FYI: I sailed the 09 straps the last few days, and they indeed feel a bit bigger. You notice it immediately when mounting them that the whole strap is longer and I had to tighten it like crazy to make it fit my small foot barefoot. With the old strap I had to enlarge the strap even when sailing barefoot.

prpa
30th June 2008, 07:08 PM
Hi
I thing that next few line can give some new perspective to R&D team.

Last 50 years in europe tipical hight of the male increased for 20 cm.
This is reflecting also size of the shoe.

In my country tipical male shoe size for guy 20-35 years old is 42-46
size (US 9,5-11,5). I personaly have 46 Euro size.

I hope this can be taken into consideration when R&D is working.

Ellen Faller
1st July 2008, 06:18 AM
Hi,
I think that many of us would like to have the *option* to have larger footstraps. In the winter, many people wear booties. Even barefooted, I have wide feet (bunions) for a woman, and we have lots of broken shells, broken glass, other sharps on the beach, and booties are a safe idea. As it is now, I cannot get my feet into the straps unless they are in the front screw hole and the back screw hole. Set this way, the straps collapse to flat and I have to spend precious time trying to wiggle my foot into one strap, then into the other. If I set the straps narrower, I can't get in at all. So I buy and use aftermarket straps.
I hope someone at Starboard R&D hears us and makes the necessary changes.
Ellen

Tiesda You
8th August 2008, 02:26 PM
Hi everyone,

This posting is coming in late but I hope that by putting it back on top it will be brought back to your attention and that you'll get to read it.

Since your first comments, we've reworked the footstraps to be longer as well as upgraded a number of other details. By making the footstraps longer, they can now be sized large enough for people with big feet and/or for those wearing booties. When these new straps are fitted to a board, their shapes are also holding much better and they don't tend to shrink back to a small natural size again either.

We've also found that a side benefit is that for those with smaller feet, adjusting the straps to their smallest size will compress the sides more than previously, which means that the feet will feel the tightness not only from the top but also from the sides. I've got small feet myself so I particularly appreciated that.

There's now some extra stitching that joins the inner and outer later of neoprenes together too - some people mentioned that when the straps were extended to their maximum size, the sides would thin out and cause a strong hard spot that was painful for the toes to bump into. So the extra stiching prevents this from happening by ensuring that there's a full two layer of neoprene everywhere along the inside surface of the straps, even if the strap is extended fully.

We've increased the padding thickness overall and changed some of the aestheric details on the top flap, and also added a second peel tab to the top flap to make the opening of the top flap that little bit easier.

I'm sorry if this reply is coming in a bit late. If you, Prpa, Ken, Afblaster, send me an email with your postal address, I'll get a set of new straps sent over to you. Thanks for your feedback, and do continue to let us know any other comments you may have on the boards and their parts - whether good or bad.

Cheers,

Tiesda

tiesda@star-board.com

WMarker
26th August 2008, 11:36 PM
Hi everyone,...

If you, Prpa, Ken, Afblaster, send me an email with your postal address, I'll get a set of new straps sent over to you. Thanks for your feedback, and do continue to let us know any other comments you may have on the boards and their parts - whether good or bad.

Cheers,

Tiesda

tiesda@star-board.com
I'm not in Tahiti....I'm in NJ USA (paradise)...Sometimes I windsurf naked :)(barefoot), and sometimes I'm in thermal sox + drysuit with dry sox + wet boots for winter windsurfing.....I'd need a set of decent adjustable straps too....

If I send you a sales receipt for a 2008 Futura, would you send me some straps too?....Thanks....