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Unregistered
10th May 2008, 11:06 PM
I'm an experienced windsurfer but haven't sail for a couple of years and want to come back. I need a fast freeride borad that's why I'm thinking of buying a SB Futura.

I'm heavyweight (194 cm/120 kg but want to loose 10/15 kg) and would like tu use the board wite 4,5 (veru remote occasion) 5,5/6,5 and 7,5.

I currently have a Naish 8,11 (104l and 57 width) that I use with 4,5/5,5/6,5.

Which Futura suits me best, 101 or 111 ?

Thanks ans sorry for my english mates (I'm french ;-) )

Roger
11th May 2008, 01:41 AM
Hi unregistered,
I guess it depends on whether you plan to keep your Naish 8'11" 104 liter or not.
Then it depends on if you want more high wind capability or more low wind capability.
If you want more high wind capability (and it seems like you do since you want to sail 4.5 conditions and you weigh 120 Kg. (264 lbs.) I would suggest the Futura 101.
I do not weigh anywhere near what you weigh, so I'm guessing the Naish 104 liter is a bit of a sinker, right?
It's a tough call.
A little earlier planing, or a little better high wind performance.
If your Naish is already a "sinker" then the Futura 93 or Kombat 96 would be more
suitable with your 4.5 rig.
Hope this helps,

Unregistered
11th May 2008, 04:38 AM
Hi Roger,
First of all I would like to thank you for your help.

I intend to replace my Naish board.

Then it becomes harder ...
Facts :
- With 4,5 the Naish is a bit too big unless the spot is flat. But that is not my biggest concern because it does not happen very often and I could easily buy a cheap wave bord for these high wind days.
- I can't use the Naish it with 7,5 (only 57 width)
So I would like to extend a bit my "low wind capabilities" to answer your question, but only slightly.

I do hesitate between the 101 and the 111, not the 93. The 101 is obviously wider than my Naish board, so it should be able to support a bigger sail but would that be enough to get a 7,5 or should I choose the 111 instead ?

Thanks for sharing your lights

Stéphane

Screamer
11th May 2008, 05:24 AM
Stéphane

It will be really hard to use all those sails with one board, you're asking a bit too much (4.5-7.5). My guess is Futura111 for 5.5-7.5, it will take you a bit further into lighter winds. I know Futura101 is quoted up to 7.5, but at >100kg, I don't think it's a good idea to overload the board with max sail. I doubt you'll enjoy it much.
Then get something smaller for sails <5.5.

Unregistered
11th May 2008, 05:43 AM
Well ... it seems that I have to choose what suits me best between the F101 for 4,5 to 6,5 and the F111 for 5,5 to 7,5.

If I can have a cheap wave board for my 4,5 I think my best option is to go for the F111.

Other question : let's say that I take the 111, what would be "ideal" for lighter winds with my bodyweight ?

I only need something for winds greater than 12-15 kts which is already a nice target with my weight !

Many thanks for your help, I start to get the picture.

Screamer
11th May 2008, 06:02 AM
Other question : let's say that I take the 111, what would be "ideal" for lighter winds with my bodyweight ?


For you a 111 is a sinker. The next step could be a 9.0-9.5 rig + iSonic133 for example (or a formula, or a longboard if that is of interest to you). In lighter winds you'll need some flotation, slogging, etc.

And as you've said, lose some weight ;-)

Edit: with regard to wave board, I think it would be much better for you to look for freestylewave, or crossover board for strong wind days (such as Kombat, jp fsw, etc). Unless you're going to ride waves of course.

Unregistered
11th May 2008, 03:36 PM
Thank you very much screamer, I think that I'll buy the F111 and maybe directly a Formula with the biggest sail money can buy for light winds.

Have a nice weekend !

Screamer
11th May 2008, 07:09 PM
One more thought: if your priority is planing in the lightest wind possible, don't go for a biggest race sail money can buy (Severne Code Red, Pryde RS, North Warp, etc). You'll be better off with a freerace sail with better low end grunt (V8, etc).

Good luck

James
11th May 2008, 11:02 PM
Stephane- Before you decide what size boards to get you might want to check out this sail and board volume calculator that is based on body weight.

http://www.vims.edu/general/sailpaddle/SailCalculator.xls

For you, anything under 140 liters is definitely going to be a sinker, and it will take about 20 knots for you to be able to plane with a 7.5. So I definitely think getting a BIG board (like formula) and some big sails would be a good idea. You (120 kg) riding a 111 liter board would be like me (72 kg) riding a 63 liter board; it would require too much wind to be practical most of the time.

Good luck!

Unregistered
12th May 2008, 02:45 AM
James,

Thank you for your help but I don't try to find the board which is "practical most of the time". Of course I need a bigger board too ! For that I'll probably buy a second hand Formula with one or two big sails (probably 12 ans 9,5) but my present concern was to choose first the best board for me with 5,5 to 7,5 because I think that it will be my main gear.

I do realize however that it's maybe stupid because I do not use 5,5 very often so I'll have to find a real sinker for those high wind days (4,5/5,5) too.

So let's imagine my future quiver :
- One formula with 12 and 9,5 for light winds (10-20 kts)
- One medium board (F111 ?) for medium winds with 7,5 and 6,5 (20-35 kts)
- One real sinker for high winds with 4,5 and 5,5 (35kts and more)

What do you think of that ? Is it logical ?

Thanks guys your help is really appreciated

James
12th May 2008, 07:48 AM
Stephane- That sounds logical, although I think the Futura 122 would be better as the medium board. When it's really windy you can use your naish 8'11" as a true sinker.

Let us know how it goes when you get back on the water! :)

Screamer
12th May 2008, 02:25 PM
Stéphane

I say go for F111, you've already had smaller Naish as your main board before.
It's hard to organize a "perfect" quiver all at once, from scratch. It comes with experience, but all that said, your plan sounds good.

Unregistered
13th May 2008, 01:11 AM
NO!!!!
don't buy a freerace sail.
You're better off getting a used formula rig off a racer. Your weight is fairly extreme and you NEED all the rig stiffness you can get. My heaviest weight I've sailed at was 260lbs and it makes a huge difference even vs. 240lbs.
What's frustrating is actually getting on a plane. When you're this heavy, the drag from the board is huge which makes the sail distort and feel heavy and overpowered even before you're planing.
Consider overfinning the board a bit too. Spend a lot of money on the best boom you can afford because you can't afford the distortion from the boom flexing. Quality racing equipment is your friend because it's designed to be sailed overpowered by heavy dudes.

jgf
13th May 2008, 08:43 PM
Hi Stephane,

I just faced the same question as you - I also needed to replace a Naish 8'11", and was choosing between the Futura 111, and the Futura 104.

I chose the 111.

My situation is a bit different though, because I weigh only ~73kg.

First, I love the Naish 8'11", it is a fantastic board for fast freeride sailing in flat to moderately bumpy/wavy conditions. I mostly used it with a 6.5, and occasionally a 5.7.

My problem with the Naish 8'11, is that, for a ~100 L board, it is very early-planing, especially when compared to newer boards.

I needed a board to fit between my Formula board/10.0 set up, and my 84 L wave board /5.6 setup. The Naish/6.5 was not early planing enough.

I decided I needed a board that could handle a 7.5, so I got the Futura 111. The board is a bit bigger than I had imagined it would be, and now I am guessing that the Futura 104 can also handle a 7.5 pretty easily, and maybe I should have gotten that.

Anyway, the Futura 111 feels _much_ bigger when sailing than the Naish 8'11". It planes much earlier than the 8'11, but isn't nearly as comfortable in chop (when powered up with a 6.5) as the 8'11". So far, I have only sailed the Futura 111 with a 6.5, and for me, that is the smallest sail I would ever use on it. When powered up on a 6.5, the board is pretty fast, but a bit bouncy. My guess is that with a 6.5, the Futura 104 would be faster. I think that where the 111 will really shine, is with a 7.5 or 8.0, and I hope to try it soon.

So, at least at my size, I think the Futura 111 is a board for 6.5 to 8.0, (maybe 8.5). It really is a much bigger board than the Naish 8'11", and is not a direct replacement. I would never sail the Futura 111 with a 6.0. On this website, Starboard claim a range of 5.0-8.0, but I don't think that is very realistic. I would be _totally_ out of control in my typical 5.0 conditions, which are quite bumpy/wavy. Again, 6.5 is absolutely the smallest sail I would put on the board.

I don't want to sound negative about the 111 - i think it is a great board - it is pretty fast, quite lively, and really rewards an "active" sailing style. Considering its size, it does quite well in chop - it tends to rise up and sail on top of the chop, rather than slamming into the chop. This means that with a little attention, you can go pretty fast in the chop.

The Futura 111 like wider gybes than the Naish 8'11", which can make quite sharp turns. But, the Futura stays on the plane during the gybe much better than the Naish.

jeff

Unregistered
14th May 2008, 01:14 PM
Thank you very much jgf for your comments about the F111.

The 8,11 is a great board for sure and the more I think about it the more I think that I will keep it for a while. For me it was fantastic from 5,5 to 6,5 when I was 110 Kg, but as you said, it can't handle bigger sails.

As far as I'm concerned I'll loose some weight before buying a new board. Then when I'm back to 110 kg I'll buy the F111 (for 6,5/7,5) or maybe the F122 (6,5 to 8,5) and keep the Naish for 4,5 to 6,5.

I think that the 101 is definitely to small for me

jgf
14th May 2008, 06:21 PM
Hi Stephane,

My problem with the Naish 8'11, is that, for a ~100 L board, it is very early-planing, especially when compared to newer boards.


jeff

Whoops....

I meant to say that the Naish 8'11" is _NOT_ very early planing..., when compared with newer 100 litre boards!!!

jeff f