View Full Version : stepping down from 80xtv - Ideas?
25th June 2008, 04:05 AM
I love my 80 (23cm fin) in extracting max fun in local gusty 5.2-5.8 winds for dtl riding, but when its honking (4.5) it does feel a bit of handful as i found in 40mph on Sunday.
If i were to chop the 80 in for a smaller board - which would you go for - 75 or 70? I recall Boards commented they were almost the same?! I weigh about 82kg and love to ride DTL but with more enthusiasm than skill! I know you love the 70 but you are (a) a million times better than me (ive seen your pics), and (b) weigh much less than me. What d'ya think?
If it helps any i sail Ezzy sails 5.8, 5.2, 4.5 - but might even swap these out for Naish Sessions in the future.
I guess i could keep the 80 and then go 70, or i could swap the 80 for the 75/70 and then look at a 90-ish Evo as well (i currently have a 94 RRD FSW but considering swapping it for something more riding dedicated as i hardly ever want to use it)
Or maybe i should just wait till Aug 15th and a Evil Twin fin eh?!
25th June 2008, 03:51 PM
Tough to say. I would say the 70 is clearly the better high wind board of the two (75 and 70) despite them in many ways being similar. The 08 70 is a tad bigger than earlier versions and the 07 is the smallest and the one that for me is the most all round. But at your weight the 08 70 is probably the best bet of the bunch. In any sort of powered up conditions the 70 will definitely be big enough and I would say that you can use it with a 5.2 to if you use the 23cm fin you have.
Another reason to recommend the 70 is that is will partner the 80 better and since you like the 80 I think it makes sense to keep that one. At your weight is it s super all round board. A 90 will be a bit more effective in some type of conditions, but you will not get the same total range out of it.
If you really want to get at the increased light wind range, then you need to base your quiver around an EVO 90. It is still a super loose board, its just that you need to avoid sailing overpowered as you can with a smaller EVO. A natural partner for the 90 is the EVO 75 (08) which is still a big step up in high wind control relative the 80. Of course, you _could_ also partner a 90 with a 70, but that will leave the important mid range a bit empty. When a 90 is overpowered you can sail a 70, but you will miss the option to tune your sailing by choosing boards (which is often very nice).
A third (or is it forth) option is to go 70+80+100 (or even 90). But don't forget that the 90/100 more adds float and schlogging comfort than planing effectiveness if 5.8 is the biggest sail.
Regarding the small Evil, its to early to give much away, but essentially I would say its similar to a 08 EVO 70 in control, so yes, it may become an option if you feel "experimental". Personally I love the special feeling a twin fin gives but I have also been just as satisfied sailing single fins the last few (Very Good) days here in Sweden. EVOs are EVOs and just as with most well known board models you can pretty much know what to expect and by now I can reasonably accurately predict how different sailors will find the board. But twin fin boards are new and not so much is known about how they will work in different conditions for different sailors. Many reports are tainted by the novelty factor, I feel. But my preliminary guess is still that twin fin boards will indeed work very well also for many "non-super-expert" sailors. So again, if you feel experiental, aug 15 may be worth waiting for.
25th June 2008, 04:56 PM
Thanks Ola - seems like i got some thinking to do! ie get a 70 to complement exisiting boards or swap current 80/94 for 75/92.....unfortunately i cant easily try em first..will see.
You know of anyone selling a 08 70 / 75 (wood)?
Not sure about twinnys yet (in general, not starboard per se) - I will await to hear some beach and mag reviews / the mkt to stabilise a little perhaps...maybe next year.
26th June 2008, 04:41 AM
No, I don't know of anyone selling a 70.
28th June 2008, 05:37 PM
I would recommend the EVO 70. It´s such a sweet one and matches great with the 80 in combination. Your weight is fine. You are not too heavy.
29th June 2008, 09:32 PM
How does the 75 ´07 compare with the 75 ´08? It seems that the ´07 has more top-end (i.e. better in fast and/or high wind conditions) whilst the ´08 is faster on the plane, more user friendly but becomes "nervous" earlier?
29th June 2008, 09:51 PM
the 08 EVO 75 xtv feels much more loose to me and has a wider windrange. I sailed the 75 most of the time with 4,2 and can control the size in a lot of wind. Both boards started early to plan. The big difference in my opinion is in the bottom turn. The 08 carves much more accurate and quicker.
Hope I could help you a bit,
29th June 2008, 10:49 PM
I haven't sailed the E75-08. Regarding the E75-07 I found it sticky and not particularly quick to plane compared to all of the Evos that proceeded it. In general I find the E74 quick to plane and quite loose. The E75-07 needs power to get up and go; however, in high wind conditions on big waves I found it better than the earlier models. Depends what you want, but I think you'd be happier with a E75-08. I'm also a big fan of all the E70 models and I weigh 85 kg. In general once the wind require me to be on a 5.0 I found they planned as quickly as the 74s and 75. They tend to have a more drawn out, precise feeling turn compared to the 74s and they rule in overpowered, rough water conditions.
30th June 2008, 01:41 AM
I agree on the 07 75. Once powered its nice. But days when its marginal it feels a bit sticky and it is not as loose on the wave either. I have one left tricked out with thrusters if you wanna try. For big waves and offshore the 07 might be better, but for anything else I think the 08 is better.
The 70 is super sweet regardless of year. My favourite is the 07. The 08 is similar but a tad thicker which might be good for you but is unnecessary for a lightweight like me.
30th June 2008, 04:56 PM
Thanks for all the responses guys!
Ive now heard elsewhere that the 70 has a little extra "McK/Tiesda fairy dust" in it compared to the 75, and even for an intermediate 82kg DTL-er like myself it might be more applicable as a higher wind board than the 75 - esp if im keeping the 80.
(btw - had a really fun session on the 80 again yesterday, it was light cross-on so used a 25cm drake rather than the 23 with my 5.8 - really great 1 hr session jumping off the waist high waves in the rare uk sunshine....still didnt pull the trigger on them loops though :-I )
Regarding the 90 v 100 - at 81 kg (weighed myself this morning - yeah - ive lost 1 kg!), what would the 100 realistically offer me over the 90...Ive noticed from the specs its looks look a similar planshape / width, so im guessing the 100 is essentially a thicker / corkier version which although adding to the feel of bouyancy will make it a LOT more cumbersome riding at my weight? Is it fair to say that the 100 is more aimed at someone antoine's weight ie 95Kg and if im looking for a schlogging / riding tool then 90 would be nearer the money?
Aggghhh - i think im talking myself into a 70+80+? kinda quiver when ive been trying to get back to just two boards!
3rd July 2008, 06:37 PM
Just bouncing it up to the top to try and seek a fresh response (on 3rd para ie 92 V 100 weight suitability)?
3rd July 2008, 08:33 PM
90v100: Hard for me to say since I'm light. But I've used both of them. The 100 is mostly thicker and I think the rocker is slightly altered. In practice they sail kind of similar for me. Ie, the 100 is not really more difficult (but on the other hand not earlier planing or anything either). You loose some feel on the 100 since it is thicker but it still carves well if speed is not to high. The thing with all EVOs is that they turn a lot on their rockers, so as long as speed is not to great, you can whip around even the super big ones very well. For example, the fisrt time I used the 100 I was sailing 5.3 cross on, 1m waves and Kombat 79 which worked great. But I backwinded now and then and didn't hit the lips so well. I changed to the 100 which felt huge on the way out. Like a ship. But on the first wave I hit twice as many lips totally effortless than I did on the K79. So again, regardless of size you still have all that rocker in there and it does its job until the speed gets high enough so that you can not even get the rocker in hte water properly.
For a bigger rider the 100 will indeed offer more. It is specially developed to carry both a big rider and a big sail. And according to Antoine it does.
The question is what it offers a mid weight like yourself? It could be that for you the 90 is rather all round while the 100 tops it over into the "slightly cumbersome"/speed sensitive category. I think the limit for when this happens will be highly individual. But I don't think Scott sails a 100 (in fact he is mostly on the 80 in light wind. But he's a pro and can schlog anything).
Personally, I'm 70 and have found the 80 to be the best light wind size. The extra comfort the 90 offers is not worth it for me. If I would regularly sail waves with a 7.0 I might get the 90, but I'm not. Up to 5.9/6.3 the 80 is floaty enough and handles both slow and faster waves, so it is just a so much better compromise.
My guess it that by the same token, the 90 will be the best board for you.
3rd July 2008, 09:53 PM
Thanks a lot Ola - appreciate you taking time out to respond.
Your thinking is the same as mine - that at 80kg the Evo 90 would make more sense than the 100 (if one can extrapolate from your experiences at 70kg). Id love to try them both out on the shoreline side by side, but given that this is near impossible for me, i will aim toward the 90 i think.
Love to hear from anyone else who has tried them both?
10th July 2008, 12:38 AM
Mmmm - the more i think about it the more id like to try and resist a 3 x wave board quivver if i can help it ;-)
What would an all evo 90 + 70 (or 75?) set-up be like compared to a Evo 90 + ET 80 (or 74?) for 82kg rider?
And which of those two combos (using 70/75 or 80/74) would make most sense in patnership with the 90?
Aghhh - actually im tempted to just try and lose some more weight and keep the 80 as my biggest board!
11th August 2008, 01:17 AM
FYI In the end i got myself an 08 evo70xtv wood (and keeping my 80 as well)
Used the 70 for the first time today in 20kt cross on with a 5.2m - cracking!
If your not a lightweight dont be put off by the "70" label - i found it a really accesible board for my 81kg - fantastic first session!
11th August 2008, 02:37 AM
Great. Keep the reports coming.
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