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Winther
1st July 2008, 03:51 PM
Hi Team.

I am looking for possibly at one board solution for 4,2 to 5,3 weather in cross onshore - side shore european choppy conditions.

(Next step down from a 94 liter free style wave design)

North shore Sealand, Denmark - like the Tulloesand conditions on the Sweedish west coast.

Currently I am sailing a Evo 80 liter - but often finds it to big for the smaller sail seizes 4,7 and 4,2 and the 94 liter really fits the 5,3 conditions nicely most of the times - since the waves are wind generated and seldom grows very big in 5,3 m weather - like up to 1 meter.

I am 75 to 78 kg.

What would you recomment - Acid 74, Evo 75 or Evo 70?

Thanks in advance
Yours
Lars W.

Taty Frans
2nd July 2008, 04:49 AM
Hi Lars,

I like width boards and the evo always was the board I like the most for wave sailing.

I don't like so much narrow boards because it's not my style of a board and that's why the Acid it's not my type of boards.

The EVO 70 is what I would go for.

I believe that the Acid is more a radical wave riding boards.

Taty

Ola_H
2nd July 2008, 06:23 AM
If you like the turnability and feel of the EVO 80 I would stay with teh EVO concept. Acids are nice too and have a faster feel to the, but in my opinion EVOs are hard to beat or the conditions you describe. I think already an EVO 75 would be a sufficiently big step down from the 80. But if you really feel the 94 does the light 5.3 duty well, I would take the bigger step down to the EVO 70. Its a very special board that covers both slower waves and the really good days exceptionally well. A fantastic blend of smal wave onshore effectiveness and big wave smoothness. At your weight, as soons as your powered up with a 5.3, it's just about as effective as the EVO 75. You will just miss a bit of light wind comfort.

Winther
2nd July 2008, 03:27 PM
Ola - I read the thread stepping down from Evo80 - where you were discussing the different production years, for the Evo 75.

Could you shortly describe witch EVO 70 "vintage" I should go for and why. I think I could get an hold of both 2006, 2007 and 2008. - I don't want a "sticky" down the line wave design. The boards needs to plane early and also feel loose - also when not on the wave.

Currently I have an 2006 Evo 83 liter in my summer house - in Sweeden - and I love this board. It goes early planning and loose with all sails from 4,5 to 5,8. It's my can do everything board.

In comparinson I think my Evo 80 2007 (That I use for my home break) feels sticky and slow to plane - it's nice on the wave though - it's the sticky feeling that makes me prefer the wave/ style 94 liter in 5,3 conditions. Would you have any similar experience with the 80 liter Evo for 2007 as you have with the 75 liter 2007?

Yours
Lars W.

Ola_H
3rd July 2008, 03:15 PM
When it comes to the 70, all years are good. 07 the board got a differnt v layout which improved the smoothness in the top turns at sped withough noticably affecting low speed performance. The 08 version is a tad thicker than the 07. I prefer the 07, but I'm 70 kilos. For you the 08 might be better since it will float you a bit easier, but differences are not huge. The 07 80 is also a very good version, not similar to the 07 75. The 06 83 is a bit livelier though.

I would say any version of the 70, relative the size, is livelier in its feel than the 80, but the general characteristic is similar. If you want a similar feel as the fsw 94 but in a smaller and turnier package, I think you should look at the Acid 74. For me, the EVOs, and the 70 in particular, is the perfect wave board for what you describe, but the Acid 74 is very nice too and is an unusual combination of almost fsw like speed, planing and and effectiveness and radical wave board performance. If you're after a sharp and precise feel the PA74 will give you that.

When you say you like the 06 EVO 83, you may take a second look at the 08 EVO 75 also. It has a bit flatter rocker and more liveliness to it. The 08 75 will still easily handle 4.5 better than the 83 and 4.0 is OK too. Maybe the best choice after all.

Many options as you see. You have to think about what you want from the board and then try to relate to these descriptions and what you know from riding the 80 and 83. Of course, if you have more questions I'm happy to answer them.

Winther
3rd July 2008, 03:22 PM
Hi Ola.

Thanks.

I have had the Acid 80 liter 2005 - but I love the free feeling of the Evo, so I quickly sold it again.

I think my options might be - keep the Evo80 and play with mast foot to tune it and get a 70 liter evo for the good day's.

Taking economy into the equiation - I think I could get new a 2006 for 6000 kr - a 2007 for 7000 kr and a 2008 used for 7500 kr.

Would you go for the 2006 - or would the newer models be worth the extra money?

Yours
Lars W.

Ola_H
3rd July 2008, 04:21 PM
If you're keeping the 80, I think the extra 1000 for the 07 is the best bet. With bigger sails (or generally - slower waves), try it with the 23 cm fin from the 80 also.

Winther
3rd July 2008, 04:41 PM
Ok - I will go for the 2007 version.

Can I fine tune the performance of the Evo 80 as well. Using the standart drake 23 fin for 5,3 sail - it seems it lack a little upwind performance in marginal conditions.

What could you recogment for fin - for marginal 5,3 and 5,8 sails - all Tushingham Rock and Storm.

Ola_H
3rd July 2008, 09:16 PM
I don't know the Tushingham sails so well, but generally for light/onshore 5.3 you could go for the Drake 24 or even 25. This sounds huge, but as long as the wave riding speed is rather low (which it tends to be at those wind strengths in our part of the world) you can a fair deal up upwind and light wind effectivenss by going for a bigger fin. Since you have the 23, I would go for the 25.

I sailed the EVO 80 with 5.5 and 24cm Drake Natural dead onshore last week and I was flying upwind.

Contrary to what some people think, EVOs also like a powered up sail. Since they are so composed in the actual wave sailing, you can often get away with a bit more sail power. This really help in the upwind department too.

Winther
4th July 2008, 03:24 AM
Hi Ola.

Went to the shop to purchase the evo70 2007 today.

Sadly they couldn't find it - their inventory system was not updated - so know I am down to 2006 at 6.000 or 2008 at 10.000. How do they compare to the 2007 - or should I rather search more for another 2007?

Ola_H
4th July 2008, 03:36 AM
Aah, that's tough. The 06 is sweet and so is the 08. More top turn smoothness and high end control on the 08 but maybe not 4000 more unless one is very particular.

But before deciding, look around for a 07 70. One of those at a good price is the best bargin. Maybe the Swedish importer has one? www.onwater.se

Winther
7th July 2008, 01:39 PM
Hi Ola.

I have got a qoute for the 2007 - but it doesn't seem to be a very good deal.

Prices look like New 08 from DK = New 07 from Sweeden. Used 08 from DK = 1000 kr less, but still quite far from the 07 offer I went for.


It seems that you like the 07 better than the 08 for high end controle and top turn smoothness and that that the 08 might give me a little more 5,3 usability - is this correct?

And the 06 is a little more early planning but less in controle for the big 4,0 days.

At the same price - more or less - for 07 or 08 I guess the 08 is the better choice - or?

Yours
Lars W.

Ola_H
7th July 2008, 04:01 PM
Relative the 06 (and earlier version) the 07 and 08 are truly a bit "developed" ie the do a few things better without really being worse at anything else. The 06 (and 04-05) are also very good though.

Between the 07 and 08, you can say that the 08 is just a bit bigger. The main difference between then is in thickness (also a bit thicker rails). I would estimate there is in practice a 2 liter volume difference between the two. This affects high speed riding a bit where the 07 has an edge. But as you say, the 08 will probably get you going a bit earlier with a 5.3.

At the same price, it could be smart to get the 08 is you think about selling the board some time, but that aside, it is really a matter of priorities. For me the 07 is better, but you are heavier so unless you want the board primarily for fast, bit waves the 08 may be as good.

But again, the two boards are really very, very similar overall so you can safely let price and availability decide. A 07 at a good price would be a bargin, but you will not go wrong with 08 either.

bigblue
8th July 2008, 03:07 PM
Ola, could you give me a picture of how a Kombat 79, Acid 80 and Evo 80 would behave when sailing in a strait line in choppy costal water, 1 m waves (Swedish Westcoast). Winds around 15-17 m/s.

Ola_H
8th July 2008, 03:40 PM
Ouch, 13-17m/s on 80 liter boards. Then you might want a fair bit more body weight than my 70 kilos.

But I can try. The PA80 and K79 are very similar. For straightline sailing I would say the K79 has a bit more range which it get my extending the light wind/big sail carrying ability. In the high wind range the PA80 had a slight edge. But on a wave the converse holds - the PA80 get a bigger speed range with only a very slight handicap in slower conditions bit a significantly bigger high speed range. The K79 has the benefit of the ability to mount two straps back which will increase the ability to hold super powered up sails.

But overall similar feel.

The EVO 80 is a completely different board. More rocker and a less "defined" feel in a straight line. It's a boards you buy to ride waves. When you already have it so to say, it will do a fair job in high wind straight line sailing, but if that is the priority the K79 or PA80 is a better choice.

bigblue
8th July 2008, 09:33 PM
Thanks Ola. I'm 76 kg and presently sailing a 93 liter FSW board down to a 4,7. I usually works fine to appx 14 m/s. I just assumed that the 80 liter would be the next step down but I'd be happy to look at smaller versions as well.

bigblue
8th July 2008, 10:33 PM
On the same note. I could tell from your reply that you thought an 80 liter board was a bit big for 13-17 m/s :). I am sure you are right but at the same time the K79 is quoted for 5.5-3.5 sails. So is the PA80. In my book that span would bee fine for high winds. Could you fill me in on why the 80 liter boards are quoted for such small sails (3.5) and at the same time not your choice when it comes to size?

Ola_H
8th July 2008, 11:21 PM
If you're 80-85 kilos or something that quote might be spot on. For me at 70 the K79 total range would be something like 4.2-6.2 with a 4.5-5.5 sweet spot. The biggest board I comfortably use in powered up 3.5 winds is the EVO 70 (and I can use it up to 5.5 when I need to).

But it is hard to say how the wind range works for different people. Its a lot about what you personally perceive as a too big board. If you're used to motoring a rather big board like the 93 you have in up to 13m/s, then you will not have problems with an Acid 80 in 17m/s. But at 76 kilo you would probably in the long run be better off with an Acid 74 as a high wind board. Fun from 5.3 and down so a fair overlap with that 93l fsw.

Winther
21st August 2008, 06:17 PM
Hi Ola.

It pays to be patient. I actually managed to get a 2008 Evo 70 brand new at a very fair price. Now I am only awaiting the wind to arrive - so I can have a try at it.

Yours
Winther

Ola_H
21st August 2008, 09:03 PM
Cool. Please report back when you've sailed it. Always nice with some feedback.

Winther
28th August 2008, 07:06 PM
Hi Ola. Here's some feedback. I tried the Evo 2008 70L today. I went out in a little overpowered 5,2 condition, fin 22cm. I were possitively surpriced with up and planing away with greath speed in no time. The board really flowed through the impact zone like magic. Out behind in the choppy mess - and much more overpovered - the board where easy to controle and gain some hight with. In the jibe the board both keept controle and speed at the same time. Back in the impact zone - both front side and back side riding were super smooth and controled.

Greath board and a very good advice to go with the 70 liter version. After the first couple of hours on the water I can only find one thing - the front footstraps are very narrow/ thieght - even if I have put them as loose as possible. Would you have any advice on how to open them up further?

I wounder if I will ever be back on the 80L again :-)

Yours Lars W.

Ola_H
28th August 2008, 09:29 PM
Thanks for that good piece of feedback. Some people find the 08 straps a bit tight, yes. Usually they will open up easier after some use. To speed up the process you can "massage them", the pull them open and repeat a few times.