View Full Version : Help wanted. Which boards/sails
6th April 2009, 06:56 PM
Hello fellow windsurfers
I need some advice on my new equipment.
I am 85 kg, and have been windsurfing for many years, in 4.0 to 8.3 m2 conditions, mainly flatwater but also some light wavesailing. I like blasting :)
BUT one thing I never have taken the time to learn proberly, is the gybe !
Now that I am going to spend some Euro`s on new equipment, I want to buy to buy the best boards/sails for nailing the gybe, but also still being able to go fast.
I have been looking at the FUTURA, but cannot decide if I need two boards e.g. 101 and 133, or is the 122 suficient ( I still keep my old F2 AXXIS 272 93 l and XANTOS 295 133 l) ?
For sails I have thinking about the NP ALPHA 5.0 - 5.8, HELLCAT 6.7 and V6 8.0
Your input and advice will be appreciated
6th April 2009, 08:35 PM
Quatro freestyle wave
6th April 2009, 08:49 PM
Go for 122 and you'll soon see that your old xantos will have no use anymore (it has more volume, but it's narrow, so it won't carry 8 sail any better than F122).
In my opinion, sail gaps/types are right, and F122 will be used with 6.7 and 8.0. When learning/practicing planing gybe, put your footstraps in inner holes, and use 6.7 if possible (8.0 too big and clunky for learning rig flip).
I think Kombat/Kode might be even better for nailing the gybe, but F will be much better for slalom-type blasting with larger (cammed) sails.
6th April 2009, 11:27 PM
Yes, the Futura 122 will be a great choice like Screamer mentioned. For the 2 smaller sized sails I would suggest a Kode 94. You could also choose a KODE 122, when you prefer abord with the straps more on the inside.
Hope it helps,
7th April 2009, 12:44 AM
Screamer and Chris
Many thanks for your answers.
So you think that the Futura 133 will to big ?
The N.P. Hellcat 6.7 will be the size mostly used (both for blasting and training the gybe), and the N.P. V6 8.0 for some light wind cruising. Is the 8.0 a good size together with the 6.7 on the Futura 122 ?
I will still use my old F2 AXXIS with the N.P. Alpha 5.0 - 5.8.
7th April 2009, 07:27 AM
No need for 133 unless:
1. you are heavy
2. you need tons of stability (early intermediate, which you are not)
3. you'll use 9m or bigger rig
122 - perfect for 6.7 and 8.0
21st May 2009, 04:25 AM
I have the Futura 133 with the Hellcat 6.7, it works fantastic together. I recently purchased the V6 8.0 so your choice of sails and boards are well. I am 80 kilos and I decided to go for the 133. It is very stable and jibing is very easy. I am an intermediaite. Dont be afraid to choose the 133, it is very very manouverable. But maybe you should simply go to a test center and find out. I certainly have good experiences with the 133. it is very fast (see the latest test on starboard.com homepage).
22nd May 2009, 05:55 PM
take into account that race/slalom rigs have become much much easier to use (rig, tune, sail...) than they used to be. In my view, as long as flat water sailing is concerned, there is NO reason to refrain from using cammed sails. A twincam 8.0 could be a great solution for lightwind cruising, as it should be ideal for early planing; and of course you choose 5.0 and 5.8 that will let you enjoy some waves. My concern is about the camless 6.7: in the 15 to 25+ knots range a cambered slalom 7.0 will let you enjoy much better performances with practically no drawbacks. So my personal advice, should someone put a gun to my temple and compel me to buy from the same manufacturter you name, would rather be a 7.0 V8 (or RS:Slalom).
Please also consider that, unless that guy is putting that gun to YOUR temple, nobody compels you to spend the extra money to buy from that manufacturer. My 'free' personal choice would be Maui Sails: 5.0 Global, 5.8 Global (or 6.0 Switch, if it's not going to be used in breaking waves), 7.0 and 8.0 Titan. After all, NP built the most of its reputation thanks to Barry Spanier's designs, so I see no reason not to buy the guru's own sails, and save some good money meanwhile.
28th May 2009, 10:24 AM
Geo, i wouldnt go so far to critisize NP, after many years they are still on top of the game, and for good reason...vertualy every decipline in the pwa, be it womens, or mens, has an NP rider in the top 3 or winning the dicipline...but regardless of the possible great scouting skills of NP, what makes them good im my books is my dad's old, 1993 mkIII, not a single repair on it, and trust me its been sailed A LOT, not a single frayed stitch, im impressed with that sail to say the least. if you dont agree on performance benefits, qaulity is a big plus with NP, not to discredit Maui Sails, as they are very good as well! anyways, guest #1, A. stick with your Axxis for sure, i have an 88L one and absolutely love it, and B. if your stuck on board size, your best bet is , as alwin said, drop by a test center, if you can bring both of your sails if the center allows it, and try the two boards out, that should be a pretty good indicator as to what you should buy i would think...
28th May 2009, 07:04 PM
and who do think designed the MkIII?
29th May 2009, 02:32 AM
Its a bigger question then at first glance.
take a look at your existing quiver.
Cant go wrong keeping the f-2 axxis 272: a classic golden design for ripping conditions, but also a great gyber...( why no gying till now??)so I would say dont go with a smaller kombat.
So you have covered the smaller high wind regime.
The futuras IMHO will not gybe as well or should i say as loose or easy as the above ,BUT they are fast ( i tried the 111 and 93 just recently).
But the futura would be more of a replacement to your larger board. The Xantos while great boards, was old style. They added thickness for volume and float but the added volume did nothing for early planing.
Planing ( all other factors being equal, vee, rocker,) is all about width.
Width is now a key element while board volume has really taken a back seat.
You can get better performance than the xantos from a futura with less volume and as such less weight.
Taking the width of a given design and then take its intended purpose, id go for the 111 with a bigger sail like the 8.0.
Now its sounds like i am trying to be a know it all, but believe me..
I have lots of overlapping boards, and its a waste I have leanred through experience.
So purchase your new board to not replace your axxis but compliment it .
the xantos howver will be redundant. I would sell it .
Otherwise over the years you have multiple boards that overlap in performance and alot of gear you wont use much.
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