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berg
3rd June 2009, 12:50 AM
My weight is 85 kg and wonder if a 7.0 m2 sail ( naish stealth) would work well on a isonic 122. I like to sail with good winds and also use it with my 8.2.

Any advice is welcome.

nonopr
3rd June 2009, 01:17 AM
The 122 iSonic is best suited for 7.6 al the way to 9.8m sails. Fins from 44 to 48, possible a 50cm.
Make your own decision in regard the 7.0m sail. In that wind condition I will go down to my iSonic 111 or maybe a iSonic 101.

Ken
3rd June 2009, 01:20 AM
Berg,

I have the '08 111 and weigh 79 kg and love to use my 6.6 Maui Sails TR-4 (7.6 is the sweet spot for the 111).

Someone with a 122 will probably give you a better answer, but I would say that the 7.0 is a little on the small side, but usable. What I mean is that to be fully powerd on the 7.0 you will likely be in 17-20 knot winds. The 122 will be a rough, demanding ride if you are in open water in these condition, but if you are in protected flat water, the 7.0 should work fine.

For the new iS boards, the suggested sail ranges are pretty broad including a 6.0 for the 122. I once used a 5.7 on my 111 in flat water, which worked, but it was really too small.

mim
3rd June 2009, 01:28 AM
Hi,

I am close to 100kg and I am using iS 122 with 8.5 up to 23 knots and 7.5 up to 30 knots (or slightly more). I thing 7.0 especially when you are not so heavy might be a little too small.

But as long the water is flat it should be ok.
Ciao Michal.

Screamer
3rd June 2009, 03:53 AM
Berg

I agree with others above, Ken is right wrt quoted sail ranges (6.0 on a 122? No way). I am 86 kg and I use iS122 with 7.3 to 9.0 sails. I think 7.3-7.5 is about the smallest I would like to use, that's when there are strong gusts, but I also need big board because of the lulls/currents/slogging, etc.
You say you'll sail in good winds, if it's steady most of the time, consider an iS111. It's just about perfect for your 7.0-8.2 sail range (and it has a certain "alround" quality, more so than a 122).

Good luck

berg
3rd June 2009, 05:32 AM
thanks for the advice sofar. I indeed think I go for the 122 for my 8.2 and consider a 101 for the 7.0. Two boards are the option, or a 111 for compromise. but I realy like the minimum winds with a 8.2 so I think a 122 would be good.

Then another tricky question. Is the isonic 101 of 2007 a big difference to the 2008 or 2009?.

nonopr
3rd June 2009, 06:42 AM
The 101 2007 is a bit different to the 2009 for sure. in what way? You have to ask the design team for that. I just feel the better control and the faster I go.

Marko
3rd June 2009, 05:12 PM
I have is101 2007 and is122 2008.

I think that is122 is very nice also with 6.7. I used it in racing and I could score top5 places with this combo. I think that Jesper Orth even won some races with 6.7/122.

is122 is extremely easy in chop and in gybe but you have to be sure to be full powered with 6.7 if you want to be fast. You have to drive it on the fin all the time. I used it once in flat water and wind up to 35-40 knots and it was super easy (but with small fin, sl2 37).
In fact, if the wind is gusty, I prefer 122 to 101 for racing with 6.7. In constant winds, 101 is better with 6.7.

Chris Pressler
3rd June 2009, 06:53 PM
Hi Berg,
the 101 fits extremely well with the 7.0. The 2009 gets the best lift out of my view and performs excelelnt in strong wind as well. Feels more thinned out in the nose compared to his prerunners, which had excellent speed as well and will work for 7,0 fine.

Chris

nonopr
3rd June 2009, 07:43 PM
Chris:
What fins are you using in your 122? Do you still use VEctor fins?

573
4th June 2009, 05:09 AM
Helloo

The 122 is a very fast board and its flying with sails around 7.5..But the smallest should be 7.5 for that board

Bora Kozanoglu-TUR 11

Ken
4th June 2009, 09:08 PM
I have is101 2007 and is122 2008.

I think that is122 is very nice also with 6.7. I used it in racing and I could score top5 places with this combo. I think that Jesper Orth even won some races with 6.7/122.

is122 is extremely easy in chop and in gybe but you have to be sure to be full powered with 6.7 if you want to be fast. You have to drive it on the fin all the time. I used it once in flat water and wind up to 35-40 knots and it was super easy (but with small fin, sl2 37).
In fact, if the wind is gusty, I prefer 122 to 101 for racing with 6.7. In constant winds, 101 is better with 6.7.

Marko must be a big guy to hang on to a 6.7 on his iS 122 in 35-40 knots.

I also believe that small sails on big boards is somewhat dependent on how steady the wind is and the sailor's weight. In puffy, variable conditions, the small sails are much less forgiving, but if the wind is steady a small sail will work just fine.

Per
4th June 2009, 11:29 PM
Hi Berg
I've sailed a 6.5 on my iSonic 122 without any problems. I'm 95 kgs. The board just absorbs the chop and this sail size is very speedy. No doubt a smaller board will be ideal (a little faster if there are no lulls) bu the 122 will work surprisingly well with a 7.0. Actually I've just ordered a 7.0 slalom sail for mine. I use a 40 fin for this size and it works great. I can even use my 40 fin with 8.5. Some find this small but my GPS gives me an average speed of 1-2 knots more with this size compared to my 44 fin (but I need to be powered a little more).
The big difference regarding your combo is if you compete seriousely og "just" go for max fun and drag racing your local buddies. To win you need the ideal combo, but conditions aren't always ideal and so you need the "ideal" compromise.

berg
5th June 2009, 01:07 AM
Thanks Per and the others for making up my mind. I just ordered a 101 and will also order a 122. This must cover the conditions and one board will be to much a compromise I think. Because I also like flying with a 7.0 on the 101 and realy like the 8.2 in light conditions and going upwind. fins are a 44 and 40 for the 122. For the 101 I have to experiment a bit. Very strange that everybody hates the drake fins including myself.
Advise to Starboard delete the fins and make the board a little cheaper. Again thanks all of you.

mim
5th June 2009, 06:41 AM
Hi Berg,

just a small note. I do not hate Drake fins, actually the Slalom Pro fins that came with the 2009 models are pretty good, no spin-outs at all, very good on upwind when properly powered up.

The only Drake fin that make me spin-out from time to time is the NR13 520.

If your average speed is around 25 knots and you do not suffer from spinouts you won't on drake either, you migth be a tiny bit slower...I don't know.

I just have to say I feel myself comfortable on Drakes (at least the new ones).
Ciao Michal.

Per
5th June 2009, 02:09 PM
I agree.
No problems with the 2009 Drake fins on my 122. No spin outs at all and they seem fast. I can use surprisingly small sizes which add to the speed. 44 cm seems as the biggest I would go. I didn't try a Deboichet or other $$ brand though. On the other hand my Drake fin on my Aero 127 really sucks. It's like sailing with weed on the fin, but that's another case..

;-)
Per

mim
5th June 2009, 04:34 PM
Hey,

in the "Aero" case it is not only the fin (but you are right it was nothing special at least in 2006). The Aero I liked it, but to me it was like stop-and-go board.
I don't have it anymore but my mate whos riding it now loves it, and so did I!

Ciao M.

berg
7th June 2009, 06:31 AM
I indeed mean the 2006 fins. No experience with newer drakes. Another question. is a 111 an option for the 8.2 sail or will the 111 be to near to the 101

GFB
7th June 2009, 05:15 PM
Hi,
I drove an is122 with 6.9 simmer vtype in porto pollo. I weigh about 82 kg and had a lot of fun with winds about 4 bft. However, I will order an is111 for my 6.6 north stype. It is enough and I could go with sails between 5.7 to 8.2. With an is101 I would need winds above 5 bft. For winds about 3 bft I would need another sail about 7.6 - 8.2 for the is111. For winds above 6 bft I change to my jp with 5.4 or 4.5.
Best regards
GFB

Screamer
7th June 2009, 05:30 PM
Your previous post:

I indeed think I go for the 122 for my 8.2 and consider a 101 for the 7.0. Two boards are the option, or a 111 for compromise. but I realy like the minimum winds with a 8.2 so I think a 122 would be good.


111 and 101 would be way too close, covering almost the same range of conditions. Most of iSonic sailors usually choose boards 2 sizes apart (I know some that go even further, for example 94+122) and still have useful overlap.


PS With regard to Drake fins, it's good to see a few sailors here who don't hate them ;-)))
Nothing wrong with my fins for iS122 (2008). Yes softer than the Deb (I've compered them several times), but fast enough for me, rangey, and they rarely spinout with minimum attention.

dan e
14th June 2009, 01:57 PM
I use IS101/NP RSS MK3 7.0/ C3 Venom 36cm. Nice combo.

I can jump from my IS 145/ NP RSS MK3 9.5 to my IS86/ NP RSS MK3 6.2 in non racing conditions then jump to my Kode 74/ NP Zone 4.7.

I weigh 70kg.

Dan

berg
15th June 2009, 02:58 AM
Today I sailed the 122 with my 7.0 stealth. Very very fast and controled. High upwind.
I hoped for 8,2 weather. but dit not regret I tried this set today. All my doubts are gone.
Next week I get the 101.

Per
15th June 2009, 10:23 PM
Hi Berg.
Great...
I got my 7.0 Tushingham Lightning two days ago and have already blasted it a lot on the 122. No problem at all. It's seriousely fast and controlled. Maybe only 95% race winning, but to me it's great...

berg
15th June 2009, 11:45 PM
Per,

I do not have the 101 yet. That is why I tried the 122 with the 7.0. It was realy flying upwind. I never sailed that angle. I used a select 41 RS fin and later tried the 37 select so7. What is your biggest sail on the 122?

Per
16th June 2009, 03:32 AM
Hi Berg.
I sail my122 with a 8.5 as biggest. It can take more, but I'm 95 kgs and the board is actually only around 114 litres so with a heavier rig it becomes a sinker and I may as well go for my formula. I use a 46 fin for my 8.5 when blasting and a 40 fin for maxed speed even with 8.5. Anyway the board points highest when I am max powered with 7.0 and 40 fin. An iSonic needs power and speed to really work.
I'm also considering the 101, but I think it will sink too much for me. At my local spot the wind can drop quite fast and I doubt the 101 will carry me home in 4 knots of wind.
Do you measure your speed with GPS. I've been on +30 knots on mine, but actually that's not more than I did on my S-type 115 or carve 111/145. I don't think the 122 is faster on max speed than other boards, but its average speed, pointing and especially acceleration is excellent.

;-)
Per

Screamer
16th June 2009, 06:40 AM
What is your biggest sail on the 122?

Berg
If you are thinking about replacing your 8.2, an iS122 will easily carry more, I use 9.0 @ 85 kilos. Think about 8.5-9.0 depending on the mast you want to use, etc. (a 9.0 will usually require a 520 mast).

Marko
28th September 2009, 04:19 PM
Just to let you know that is122 is super competitive in short leg slalom racing (figure of 8).

We had some racing this weekend and I was strugling most of time with my 8.2/122 combo in super gusty winds and I could not score better then 2nd place.
Then the wind picked up enough for 6.7 (still gusty) and I got two 1st places without to much effort! Very fast combo for short leg slalom racing (it was about 400m between marks).

berg
29th September 2009, 02:00 AM
Good to hear. I now have more experience with the 122 and my 7.0 m2. I also have the isonic 101 bur hardly using it. The 7.0 is indeed very good on the 122. What fin do you use with your 6,7 on the 122?

Like to hear

berg
29th September 2009, 02:06 AM
I like to say ist; I am surfing for 25 years now and never had a board better than the 122. Upwind and downwind. I sailed it on lake Garda with 7.0 in rough water. Total control with 40 cm select fin

Marko
29th September 2009, 02:08 PM
Hi Berg,

I use deboichet sl4 42cm (hard) and sl2 37cm. Both are good in medium 6.7 conditions but I found sl4 42 faster and more competitive. I had the (wrong) feeling that I am faster with 37, but after testing with gps, 42 was clearly better.

I agree about the board! It is fantastic!

Cheers