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robert
3rd September 2009, 02:41 AM
Hi there,

I own a Futura 144 and I am very satisfied about this board when surfing af 4-5 Bft with 7 - 9 m2. sails. :)Now I want to buy a Futura 122 for more wind (5-7 Bft with 5,5 - 7 m2. sails). My weight is 92 kg. and I do windsurfing for more than 25 years (so experienced). I think the 122 will be the best choise for me. I wonder what are de differences between Futura 122 version 2008, 2009 and 2010. Probably small differences, but what about for example topspeed and control in choppy conditions ? Please some advice. :confused:

Thanks and good surfing to you all.
Robert
(Netherlands / Holland)

robert
10th September 2009, 02:46 AM
Hi again,

No one of the teammembers or anyone else can tell me about any differences ?
Maybe this is the wrong forum for my question ?

Greetings,
Robert

Screamer
10th September 2009, 09:58 PM
Hi Robert
I'm not on the team, my comments:
No way you will enjoy F122 in 7bf (27-33 knots). In fact it's a tall order for any board, to ride well in 5-7bf (16-33kts). You may want to make a bigger "gap" between your two boards, they will both be a bit big for higher wind. Think about F101 or even a Kode10x if it's really gnarly. If you haven't tried boards that small before, you may struggle for the first few days (do you waterstart regularly?), but you'll enjoy it MUCH more later.

Good luck

Ken
10th September 2009, 10:25 PM
Robert,

Screamer is right, but if you go below the 122 (111 or 101), you will be on a "sinker" and uphauling will be difficult. If your water starts are good, then something smaller than the 122 will be much more comfortable in the stronger winds.

However, at 92 kg, the 101 in 16 knots may be a little small if the wind is variable. At 33knots, the 111 may be a little too big. Choosing the correct board will depend on your typical wind conditions.

robert
11th September 2009, 04:45 AM
Screamer and Ken,

Both thanks for your replay and advice. Looks like de F111 (also good testresults) maybe would be better for me surfing at more than 6 Bft. I said I was experienced, so waterstarting is no problem and earlier I surfed smaller boards (many years ago (board ap. 80 liters), much lighter than 92 kg.). The F111 is indeed almost a sinker for me, thats why I thought of the F122. Option could be still the F122 and than later a smaller board. I don't want a gap between F144 and the smaller board.

Remains my question : has anyone experience with both the Futura 2008 and 2009, what are the (small I presume) differences about for exemple topspeed and control (F122 and also F111) ?

Thanks in advance.

Greetings,
Robert.

Screamer
11th September 2009, 05:52 AM
I hope someone will chime in with 2008/2009 differences, but let me repeat, sorry if I'm being a bore:
In my opinion you won't enjoy sailing F111 in true Force 7, no matter how experienced you are. It's 68 wide (!) and intended to carry up to 8m or so. When it's howling, you need a real sinker.

Look at this thread, comments from Namreh might be of interest to you:
http://www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4913

robert
13th September 2009, 05:27 AM
Hi screamer,

The F111 would be nice at 6 Bft with 5,5-6 m2 sail, at 7 Bft it will be indeed surviving and a smaller board would be better (for later). I most sail 4 - 6 Bft. so the F111 (or even de F122) would be fine. The isonic 111 could also be an option, more topspeed (but asks voor at least 6 m2. sail and is less suitable for downwind-racing). Thanks for your advice:), I think I go looking for the F111. I understand that the 2008 version has some more volume and the 2009 version has a little more topspeed and control, so have to consider that.:rolleyes:

Bye,
Robert.

robert
30th September 2009, 02:51 AM
Hi,

I decided not to go for the Futura 111 but for the bigger Futura 122 (because of my weight 92 kg. and windconditions very variable, and maybe later buy a smaller board for 7 Bft.). But what about the Kode 122 (of Kombat 122) ? The width and OFO is almost the same as the Futura 122, so what are the differences in topspeed and control (items most important for me) at 5-6 Bft ? Has anyone experience with both Futura 122 and Kode 122 (or Kombat 122) ?

Greetings,
Robert.

PG
30th September 2009, 02:16 PM
I have not used either F122 nor K122, but from test reports it is obvious that the Futura is the pick for anyone that looks for speed, average or top. The Kode will have a much more recreational ride, and is for those that value turns and gybing over blasting.

But I have to agree with those that try to convince you to go smaller than the F122. At your weight the F122 sounds more like a replacement for the F144 than a complement. It has a sweetspot at maybe 8 m2, while the sweetspot of the F111 should be at least 7 m2.

To me, at 100 kg, a board with 20 liters plus is a very comfortable floater in all situations except halfway through the "pulling the rig". Pick the F111, you will have som much more fun (at your skill level)!

robert
30th September 2009, 04:25 PM
Hi PG,
The Kode then seems less suitable, I prefer more the blasting. When I go for the F111 then I agree surfing in 5-6 Bft should be a little bit easier because of width 68 cm. instead 71,5 cm., but when wind falls down (I surf often on lakes and that happens frequently) less easier. Other surfbrands (Fanatic and JP for exemple) sell boards that are also app. 68 cm. width, but with 120-125 lt. volume and that has some advantage for heavyweights. Starboard makes other (thinner en wider) boards. But I will reconsider F111 instead F122, also because of topspeed F111 is higher than F122 (I presume, anyone GPS-speeds of these boards ?), thanks for your reply !
Robert.

LK
30th September 2009, 06:08 PM
I weight 98 kg and jump from F144 to 09 F111. The range of the 144 is huge so 122 is to close IMO.
I sail both onshore an often in very unstable off/side off shore winds, the F111 is a Rocket when powered up, tracks upwind very well but feels very save when the wind is dropping.
Don’t know the ex. Vol. of F111 but it is very stable/balanced and easy when slogging in very little wind.
I dropped my AE 127 after using F144/F111 for some time.

Ken
30th September 2009, 11:57 PM
Robert,

If you have to deal with variable wind conditions and frequently get caught in winds less than 10 knots, having a board that can be uphauled is REALLY nice. The 122 may be the best bet if this is your situation, but having something like the 101 as your next board for the really windy days will cover just about everything you may encounter.

If you want to cover everything with only two boards, then the 111 would be your best choice.

robert
2nd October 2009, 01:17 AM
Hi LK and Ken,
Good to hear that de F111 is very fast and especially in little wind a save surf even for heavyweights. Seems that I indeed have to reconsider, maybe I will buy the F111. I let you know later what board I bought and my experience with that board.
Bye,
Robert.

Nicci
2nd October 2009, 02:50 AM
Hi Robert. I just bought the F111-09 and have tried it 2 times, with 7.5 and 6.5 sails. I weigh 87kg, and can uphaul it when needed. The best is itīs a lot easier to gybe than the Kode 112 that I tried earlier. But it rides a lot flatter so itīs probably not so suitable in bigger chop/waves.
Now they start to predict snow here on the weatherforecast so unfortunately the next time I try it might be next spring...
All in all Iīm very satisfied with the F111.