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mac33
30th September 2009, 11:17 PM
watched video of this marathon, looks like awesome event.
anyone want to share experience of race.
it looks like wind is coming from land to sea keeping water quite flat.
is it one race or many. how many kms is race.
how much to enter.
do u need lifevest/flares etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRI_H2IWNvc

mim
1st October 2009, 04:28 AM
Hi,

wel I do not have actuall race experience since there was no wind last year. But I can give you some small info. The wind is full ofshore, the race course goes 800m out of the beach and is around 10km long. Each race is 4 times this leg...so total about 40km, maybe slightly more. There are normally not more than two races a day...the 2010 defi is planed to be one week long.

The minimum wind for racing is 20 knots, the maximum for amateurs is 40 knots on start...that would mean close to 50 knots at the end of the course.

The race is with rabbit start...a boat going 35knots is coming towards the beach and you start as soon as it passes your position. The start line as the whole course is 800m long/wide.

The fee is around 200 euro, where 50 isfor safety equipement (flare), after you give it back you get your money bach. Life jacket is not a must, but a camelback is...for normal people the race takes one hour, the camelback is because of safety during some unexpected problems...it might take some time till you get on the beach and to some source of sweet water to drink...so it is better to have a small camel back.

I can say it is a great expeirence and a lot of people with windsurf gear. So go for it.

PS: the water is flat only close to the beach as you go further downwind it gets pretty choppy.

Ciao Michal.

Papounet
1st October 2009, 08:55 PM
Fee 80 € in 2009
Minimum wind 15 Knots Off shore, no race if On shore wind.
But the local wind "Tramontane" is a bit consistant...
60 Knots for the first race day off 2007 ( funny race for pro ), but usualy between 20 and 35 Knots with gusts at 40/45
No wind limite, but safety limite, start's only if safety boats can do theyre job on the water.
A safety buoy every 500 m at 800 m from the shore.


Races between 20 km and 40 km, the most we do, 3 in a day

French & English version ( you need a shit from Microsoft to enter )
http://www.defiwind.com/

Move the cursor on the bottom to see past years

http://www.gruissan-windsurf.com/img/diapodefi/Defi%2005%20028.jpg

The Playground :
http://transjai.free.fr/images/VirtualDefi/gruissansatred1.jpg

Where in the world :
http://maps.google.fr/?ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=43.095468,3.112564&spn=0.053399,0.120163&t=h&z=12&source=embed

mim
2nd October 2009, 03:58 AM
do not believe those 80 euros...this is only valid if you are a member of french association...

so for people from abroad the total price in 2009 is as follows:
80 euro is registration fee
25 euro is the licence
and 50 euro is a deposit for the flare

total makes it 155 euro.

ciao Michal.

bbend
4th October 2009, 12:18 AM
I've been aware of this race for 3 years now, and would like join the race in 2010, but it is hard to find info about how and when to apply. It seems like its sold out pretty fast even with a limit of 1000 racers. Is it a "come first, first served" rule for the list, or not? I would think french windsurfers and pros have priority, and maybe also previous participants. Is there a waitinglist one can sign on so if you cant get a ticket for next year, the chance gets higher the following year?

I guess this can be regarded as "classified" information, in the same way as not revealing "secret spot" to avoid crowds, but I would be happy to get any info about this, at least how difficult it is to get a ticket, and hope not too many read this thread :-)

Bard

Unregistered
4th October 2009, 02:40 PM
About 95% are French which is understandable.
Their website is hopeless, they dont answer e-mails and really are not very concerned about "waiting lists", foreigners and so on.
Of course, if you are a rosbif its even worse.......

davide
5th October 2009, 01:54 AM
About 95% are French which is understandable.
Their website is hopeless, they dont answer e-mails and really are not very concerned about "waiting lists", foreigners and so on.
Of course, if you are a rosbif its even worse.......

France is one of the few places in Europe where unless you speak French people are often very uninterested in trying to communicate with you. Very strange.

Floyd
5th October 2009, 06:20 PM
Comments like Davides are not only wrong they are likely to cause offence.
We have a house 5 miles from Leucate and have sailed down there for past 20 years. (I still only speak "franglais".) The locals are always helpful friendly and very communicative. The Defi is difficult to get in for everybody ; its always oversubscribed. Organisation for it is difficult because like everywhere the wind does not always "play the game". Yes the Tromantane is reliable; strong and fantastic to sail in but is not 100% predictable. (Unlike thermal and Trades)
Anybody who knows anything about the region would not make comments anything like Davides; the locals are Catalans ;firercely independant and the most welcoming people you could wish to meet.
Like everywhere people treet visitors as they find them ????????????
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Papounet
5th October 2009, 08:21 PM
About 95% are French which is understandable.
Their website is hopeless, they dont answer e-mails and really are not very concerned about "waiting lists", foreigners and so on.
Of course, if you are a rosbif its even worse.......

2009 :
French => 800
Other countries => 100

No priority except for non french, who have more time to post theyre registration....

In 2008, only 800 racers, with +- 80 reserved for VIP & Foreign countries.

Registration start the monday at 0h00 ( registration docs available )
More than 700 demand posted in the day...

More than 2000 posted in 2 weeks....

The race starts the monday for Frogs, rosbifs have a bit more time (-;

Papounet
5th October 2009, 08:28 PM
France is one of the few places in Europe where unless you speak French people are often very uninterested in trying to communicate with you. Very strange.
Well, well

I heard exactly the same about countries where mother tong is English...

Dead heat (-:

davide
5th October 2009, 10:18 PM
Comments like Davides are not only wrong they are likely to cause offence.

Oh, cool off, I do not mean to offend anybody. It is simply a fact that France is the only country in the EU that resists (at the government level) the use of english as a common language, and as a consequence there are a lot of people that do not even have rudimentary english. I find English in Europe and Spanish in Latin America a big plus, and I am a native speaker of neither. Not talking a common language simply causes communication problems, no offense!

Floyd
6th October 2009, 01:30 AM
I dont need to cool off and I`m not interested in communicating with you Davide.But you wont find that offensive ???? Will you !!!!

Wonder what you are basing your comment on ?

I`m basing my comments on living (and sailing) in France with a group of people who are not only interested in communicating but go out of their way to help and then fools like you say quite openly "they aren`t interested in communicating". Perhaps you mean they`d rather us speak French (or Catalan). Now there`s a surprise !!!

You`ll then be wondering why French (or Catalan to be more precise; for area mentioned) dont welcome visitors...

What is your evidence for the comment ??? Have you ever sailed/ visited region ????

Go to area mentioned and sail at Leucate; Le Franqui; St Cyprien; Canet; Le Lydia; Gruisan and you will witness amongst best sailors in world and get nothing but support from them. !!! When you`ve been to are around Leucate t see if what you say is correct !!! I`m telling you now it wont be. !!!

The Defi is always oversubsrcibed; perhaps you`d rather see it filled with paying (foreign) visitors (who are welcome) than people who sail in region all year long !!! Of course they`d rather support local sailors. Thats how it should be but lots of foreigners do compete.

There`s good and bad in all races.

davide
6th October 2009, 02:50 AM
I dont need to cool off and I`m not interested in communicating with you Davide.But you wont find that offensive ???? Will you !!!!

Wonder what you are basing your comment on ?


Floyd, you are making a big deal out of a small thing. Sorry if I made a comment that some people might think offensive, it is just an observation that comes from spending a lot of time in Europe (I am from there ...). And the observation is that what started as a policy to protect the French language, has translated in an increase in insularity for France. Of course it is a broad, and not necessarily true, statement. and of course there are millions of French people that don't mind speaking a broken English to communicate with foreigners.

So, please, let's drop this, my fault and I am sorry if I offended you.
bests
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Floyd
6th October 2009, 04:59 PM
Fair comments Davide.
Apologies too.
Good sailing

Farlo
6th October 2009, 10:56 PM
Hi Floyd, you're from the UK rignt? Many Frenchies may think you have suffered enough from insularity and will do their best to rescue you, whether they speak broken or good English;-)

Hi Davide, yes it was a broad, not necessarily true, statement. I guess you're Italian aren't you? I wonder where/why you found it difficult to communicate. Have you tried broken French? By the way, do you know that "Le Défi" means "La Sfida"?

bbend
7th October 2009, 04:15 AM
I've located the 2009 registration form saying the first 900 completed forms will get tickets, which suggest there is no difference between foreign and French sailors, but I guess the locals/french have a big advantage in shorter mail service! I guess it doesnt hurt to throw in a form and hope for the best allthough it seems a bit elaborate. Is it neccessary to send a medical certificate and transfer the fees BEFORE you know you get a spot? If this is the case it is highly unpractical.

Anyone knows?

Bard

Floyd
7th October 2009, 04:32 AM
Again thats not the organisers fault. In france whenever you wish to take part in sport organised by a third party (ie events etc; especially active competition ) you have to have a medical and or letter from doctor indicating you are perfectly fit and well to take part.
Locals will be well aware of all this. Pretty sure Defi will insist on something.!!!

Suspect foreigners might roll up expecting to sail and be hit with this one !!! Make sure you check if you do register !!!!

Good luck

Floyd
7th October 2009, 04:36 AM
PS
I`m going down there end of October.Will find out more and post info.

Unregistered
7th October 2009, 04:51 AM
You just have to love the frogs dont you ?
They stick the middle finger up at all the EU crap, protect their farmers, cars, mushroom farms and fisherman. Then say you need a cert to race an old piece of plastic in the Med.
Brilliant..
A few years ago Clarkson was in Paris telling us they dont even have an HSE dept. Unlike our 5000 bloated pigs on 100k a year in Canary Wharf or wherever they stick them these days, telling us not to climb ladders or knock conkers off trees.

Floyd
7th October 2009, 04:48 PM
But the point is they say it to everyone !!!

And to be fair the Defi isn`t quite just a normal day in the med ! Tromontane really could make you wish you hadn`t bothered !!!

Papounet
7th October 2009, 08:07 PM
You just have to love the frogs dont you ?
They stick the middle finger up at all the EU crap, protect their farmers, cars, mushroom farms and fisherman. Then say you need a cert to race an old piece of plastic in the Med.
Brilliant..
A few years ago Clarkson was in Paris telling us they dont even have an HSE dept. Unlike our 5000 bloated pigs on 100k a year in Canary Wharf or wherever they stick them these days, telling us not to climb ladders or knock conkers off trees.

Just have a look at theese two informations...

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/11/frances_model_healthcare_system/

Not so bad, for a so dangerous country



For the cert......
We learned from US that lawyers can do a lot with very little things

mim
7th October 2009, 08:25 PM
Hey people,

quit the politics.

Le Defi is a great sport event, it is a nice experience, a lot of people sharing the same passion live music at night, video sessions, material testing, grill party on the beach, free beer from 6pm...

It is everything worth...certificate, registration fee, even the almost 2 days I usually spent in the car.

Tramontane is a hell of a wind and for the possibility to be there when it comes down to the beach I am grateful for. And I will try to be there next year as well.

See you down there in 7 months!
Ciao Michal.

Unregistered
8th October 2009, 04:29 AM
As I said.......you just have to love the French.
I just wish that when I go into a tourist office and say bonnejewer they would'nt say good morning to me !!
Its BONJOUR tu stupide rosbif bstd would be preferable......

Floyd
8th October 2009, 04:32 AM
Pretty sure it would be vous ,not tu !!!

You rosbif bstd

Flud

mim
8th October 2009, 02:28 PM
Why you're still digging, unregistered? (I do not love french, but as long as I don't need to talk to them in french I do not care) and yes, I found some people that did not understand english (I need to manage something)...but it allways sorted out somehow.

I found a friends there among rosbifs and frog-eaters as well. They were all windsurfers, and if you were there you would see that the whole Gruissan is living with that event!

Stop the bullshit!
Ciao M.

Papounet
8th October 2009, 06:05 PM
Tramontane is a hell of a wind and for the possibility to be there when it comes down to the beach I am grateful for. And I will try to be there next year as well.

See you down there in 7 months!
Ciao Michal.

Welcome to hell (-;

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Local patrol...

http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/463263IMG_9888_copie.jpg

Floyd
8th October 2009, 09:53 PM
Pictures are great. !!
Which beach were they taken from.Thought I`d sailed most of them down there but dont recognise that one. (Normally at Canet/Leucate/St Cyp)

Papounet
8th October 2009, 10:46 PM
The beach is between Gruissan "plage des chalets" and Port la nouvelle
Just here : http://maps.google.fr/?ie=UTF8&om=1&t=h&source=embed&ll=43.085145,3.104228&spn=0.001775,0.003449&z=18

But you have to take this way from Gruissan "village" to go :
http://maps.google.fr/?ie=UTF8&om=1&t=h&source=embed&ll=43.101085,3.087866&spn=0.001774,0.003449&z=18

You dont need a 4X4 but be carrefull, off road.

Or in pict :
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8293/planyh8.jpg

mim
9th October 2009, 01:31 AM
Hey Papounet,

do you actually have to go through the camping or is there another way to go...I saw that there is a kiting school on the right side of the channel but I did not realised howto get there...so I always started from Plage de Challets.

Yep, the last defi I was there for two weeks and only one day there was a tramontane...on challets gusts up to 50 lnots...those pictures reminds me that.

Ciao M.

Floyd
9th October 2009, 08:43 PM
Thanks for info.
Must give it a try; going back for "winter" soon.
Reckon Tromantane(Summer months) tends to blow for 3 to 4 days. Gusty on first. Blows like mad 2nd and 3rd. Moderates for really nice sailing 4th.(Generally)
Having said that was down there March 08 and it blew solid for 3 weeks; averaging I`d guess 40 knots. !!! (Too much for me)
Down there last March and Marin blew often aswell (Nearly opposite direction to Trom) Marin tends to be steadier and puts up good swell all along coast.(Colliore upto Le Franqui)

Locals tell me if its southerly go south and if its northerly go north. Was sceptical at first but on a real iffy day(12 knots) at St Cyprien drove north to Leucate and it was a steady 30 knots. No idea why and suppose Gruisan could be even windier ????

The whole region has great sailing pretty much any time of year. Autumn and Spring seem to be most reliable and sailing down at Canet/ St Cyp/ Leucate with snow capped Canigou in background really is special.

Must get upto Gruisan next spring..

bbend
11th October 2009, 02:22 AM
Hey mim

Since you are a foreigner and has participated in the race earlier, it is interesting to know how you applied for the race. According to the registration form you send the medical ceritificate and transfer the fees to GWA. Then you wait and hope you get a slot in the race. Is that how it is done?
Now, lets say you are not one of the lucky 1000. What happens then, do they return the money/med certificate?

Or maybe you just send the registration form first and if you get a spot you send certificate/fees?

mac33
12th October 2009, 12:46 AM
this is west australia marathon. ledge to lancellin around 25kms.

http://www.westozwind.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64:2008-ledge-to-lanclin-ocean-classic&catid=28:member-articles&Itemid=86

mim
12th October 2009, 01:45 AM
Hey bbend,

I have only one advice...be fast, send it the very first day, all in one...the certificate and pay the money...and send the confirmation via email (I guess you get it back...but not sure since I got in...).

Norway is quite unusual on Defi so you do have quite some chance to succeed. Important it is to let the Defi team know, that you really are interested...there is many people wanting to go, but some of them have a special fascination...and if you prove to be one of them I think the spot will be yours.

But of course there is no guarantee...
Maybe I just was lucky and I wont be this year...but for sure I will try to get in again.

Ciao Michal.

PS: Lancellin is also great, but for europeans a bit far reach...:-(

bbend
15th October 2009, 05:09 AM
Thanks for the info mim.

Yes it is probably very few if any Norwegians in this race so if that matters it is probably a good thing. Anyway, since I have not sailed this spot yet I think I will go down there on a trip first to see how I like the place,the people etc. Hopefully they will run this event "forever" so at one point I can join it.

Bard

Papounet
9th December 2009, 07:14 PM
Registration started on 5 december 2009

Go on
http://www.defiwind.com/index_en.html