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walter 1212
15th October 2009, 03:54 AM
Hello surfers!

At the moment i own an IS 122 (2009) and a Futura 111. I sail these boards with Code red (8,1 and 7,0) and Gator 6,0 (only for the F 111). Last weekend I sailed my IS 122 with the code red 7,0 at about 18-25 knt. Partially it wasnīt easy to control the IS 122 (i used the R 13 40 cm). I want to replace the F 111 by a smaller ISonic (2009), IS 101 or IS 111. My weight is 94 kg.
I donīt plan to buy a smaller slalom sail than the Code red 7,0.It happens that I sail in gusty conditions.
Which ISonic would you suggest.

Thanks a lot

Walter

nonopr
15th October 2009, 05:14 AM
If you are in the USA and interested in buying a IS 101 very limited used 2008. No repairs and with boardbag. I can have it shipped to your door for $750.00 shipping included.
send me a private message.
Thanks

Remi
15th October 2009, 09:21 AM
hi Walter,

In your case I will propose you the iSonic 101, this board will be better for your 7mē.

All the best

walter 1212
15th October 2009, 12:37 PM
Hi Remi!

I often surf on a spot where the wind in the beach area (400 meter) is 2 BF lower than outside on the open water. Thatīs why I consider the IS 111. Do you think that floating with the IS 101 is possible regarding my weight (94 kg). What are the differents between IS 101 and IS 111?

Can I combine IS 111 with Gator 6,0?

Walter

davide
15th October 2009, 02:00 PM
Hi Remi!

I often surf on a spot where the wind in the beach area (400 meter) is 2 BF lower than outside on the open water. Thatīs why I consider the IS 111. Do you think that floating with the IS 101 is possible regarding my weight (94 kg). What are the differents between IS 101 and IS 111?

Can I combine IS 111 with Gator 6,0?

Walter

I am much lighter (70Kg) and generally sail my Is-111 with a 7.3. I used it once with a 6.0 and it worked ok, although it is a small sail for the board that did not feel to well balanced with it. The Is-111 should float you ok, but I do not think the IS-101 will do (I think is really 94L or so?). (I might be selling my Is-111 to get a Is-122, drop me an e-mail).

walter 1212
15th October 2009, 03:13 PM
Hi Davide!

Thanks for your answer. As I wrote before, I want to replace my F 111 by an IS. Thats why I intend to contact my windsurf-shop.

mark h
15th October 2009, 10:05 PM
The iS111 will have to much cross over with your iS122. No real big benefit in having both the iS111 and iS122. The iS101 and iS122 would give you much bigger range of use. In 18 to 25k, your 7m and an iS101 will be plenty. If you do get caught out in lower winds on the outside, the iS101 will float you and a 7m. Although uphauling will be a bit tricker in swell, but pretty easy to do.
Just my 2 cents worth:)

Ken
16th October 2009, 12:01 AM
Walter,

I too think the iS 101 would best fit your needs, but it will be a SINKER for your 94kg. It isn't going to float you! Some guys can uphaul with the water at their knees, and others have trouble with the surface of the board above the water.

For me at 78 kg, I find that 105 L is the point where it is still relatively easy to uphaul with the board surface dry. Below 100 L, the board is beginning to go underwater.

It's a skill that takes practice, but it can be really frustrating when you are stuck 100 meters from shore and can't water start and you must uphaul a sinker and slog to shore.

How often do you have 18 + knot winds where the 101 would be the board of choice?

I have a iS 111 and if the wind is 18 - 25 knots, I am on a smaller board. I use the 111 in the 12 to 18 knot range.

walter 1212
16th October 2009, 05:51 AM
During holiday it happens every second day that I can use the code red 7,0. I think I go for the IS111 because uphauling isnīt my thing and the 7,0 should also fit to IS 111.

Thanks a lot

Walter

LK
16th October 2009, 01:41 PM
Why do you want to drop the F 111 at all?
Straps out and back and a good slalom fin and the F111 is very close to an IS.
Size like it fits in between IS111/101, has a bigger range than an IS, easier when slogging.
If you are competing on national/international level you go IS122/101, IS122/111 makes no sense,
If not, keep the F111. The IS111 is closer to the IS122 than F111.
So IS122/F111 makes more sense for me than IS122/IS111.
:-)

Ken
16th October 2009, 09:11 PM
Walter,

I am not trying to change your mind, but LK's comments make some sense.

Also, at your weight, and since "uphauling isn't your thing", it will not be easy for you to uphaul either 111. There will be water over much of the deck, plus very slight movements of the feet will sink either the nose or tail when pulling the sail out of the water. Also, the iS 111 dosn't slog well (below 5 knots). It wants to head up and it takes focus to keep it on a beam reach.

The above comments relate to fresh water and not sea water. If you are in the ocean, then things will be slightly better than I describe.

All this means is that you have to work on your light wind skills.

Screamer
19th October 2009, 11:17 PM
111 way too close to iS122 (as all the others have said) and it would be a mistake imho.
Forget about uphauling/slogging/wind shadows, there is no med-to-high wind board that will give you comfortable uphauling when it drops to nothing. Pick your sailing days more carefully (when it's really steady) and come back before the wind dies completely. Too many people (including myself several years ago) want a board that will have excellent control in 25 knots, yet bring them home in 3 knots.

iS101 will slog you fine for that 400m in force 3 (hard to predict in knots exactly) as long as you move. Don't buy a board for it's slogging/uphauling "performance".

Edit: I wanted to add that I have a 95 kg buddy who use iS94 in strong but gusty winds, wind shadows etc. No problem once you get used to your new toy.

walter 1212
21st October 2009, 11:39 AM
The reasons why I want to exchange the F111 for a Isonic: More speed, better upwind characteristics, perhaps more control. Last weekend I had the chance to test an Isonic 111 combined with a Severne Gator 6,0. My findings are: Isonic 111 fells bigger than Futura 111 and couldnīt be controlled like the Futura 111 -Gator (6,0) combination. Thatīs why I forget to buy an ISonic 111.
I aks you if the combination ISonic 101 with Gator 6,0 is better. Or in other words: The ISonic works only well in combination with Code Red. I intend to combine the ISonic both with the Code Red 7,0 (estimate 70%) and with the Gator 6,0 (estimate 30%).

I ask you to give me advises.

Walter

Screamer
21st October 2009, 12:29 PM
iS101 with a Gator 6.0 is somewhat better combo than iS111 with the same sail, that's for sure. For occasional use it's ok, but it's not the ideal combo, iSonics work much better with cambered sails.

walter 1212
22nd October 2009, 01:57 AM
How does the Futura 111 work with the Code red 7,0. Any ideas? I want to know, which combination (F 111 or IS 101) will be better for me, if I also use Gator 6,0 in 30 % of the cases.

Walter

davide
22nd October 2009, 03:28 AM
How does the Futura 111 work with the Code red 7,0. Any ideas? I want to know, which combination (F 111 or IS 101) will be better for me, if I also use Gator 6,0 in 30 % of the cases.

Walter

Hi Walter, you might be wasting your money going from a Futura 111 to either Is-111 or 101 in search of more performance. Unless you sail very powered up you might not see any measurable gain. If I were you I would keep the Futura 111, buy a better fin (if you are still using the stock this might give you better performance), and maybe invest in a smaller board that would work better with the 6.0 (a Futura 93 or Isonic 94). If you insist on selling the Futura 111, the Is-101 would be better for 6.0-7.0.

Chris Pressler
22nd October 2009, 03:38 PM
Many good aspects in this discussion. Would say that a 7,0 Racesail works excellent on the iSONIC 122. So you have to look for a board, which fits great for the Gator 6,0, which is a super versatile sail. I used it on a FLARE, KODE, EVO, iSONIC and FUTURA. Would suggest to go for a smaller Futura in 101, which is a super fast board, jibes easy and makes excellent upwind.

Wish you make the best decision,
Chris

walter 1212
22nd October 2009, 09:45 PM
Hello Chris!

Which combination (IS 111 or F 111, combines with Code Red 7,0 and Gator 6,0) would you suggest for conditions like Lago di Garda (Vento, near Navene), where the wind isnīt the same all over the lake. My weight 94 kg. Usually I need reserve volumn to come back to the beach. How feels the F111 with Code Red 7,0? How the IS 6,0 with IS 111.

Many Thanks

Walter