View Full Version : Phantom 320 or formula
10th November 2009, 01:33 AM
My F159 with Tushingham Lightning 10.3 is quite a blaster from about 10 - 12 knots of wind. Below this it's very boring, as I will be on/off planing og just slogging most of the time.
How would the Phantom 320 be in this area? Will it plane noticeable later? Will it be seriousely blasting in t.ex. 12 knots of wind? What about 15 knots? How is jibing on the 320? (I can do planing jibes on my 159).
How is the 320 as a cruiser in on/off planing winds?
The longer boards are said to be fun in non planing mode, as you should be able to kind of edge the board on the daggerboard in the straps even in less than 10 knots. Is there any action in this?
In + 15 knots I have iSonic 122 and 8.5, so I want to have fun from 4 to 14 knots (which is 75% of the wind in my spot).
Can the Phantom be sailed with a 10.3.
Isn't there a link somewhere with a video of the 320 in action??
I'm 95 kgs and only sail for max fun.
10th November 2009, 05:30 PM
Go for a Raceboard in 4/14 Knots rather than on a 320 board.
For the same weight, with a "heavy" Kona and 9.5, i start to plane ealier ( little bit ) than with iSonic 125 and 8.5
Take an old Raceboard with a big Fin and try your 10.3.
To big on IMCO, but it will work on :
- Mistral Equipe II / Pan AM
- F2 Race 380
- Fanatic Mega CAT
And on the new ones to
EXO WARP 380
13th November 2009, 04:18 AM
"Go for a Raceboard.." Yes! Given what I've heard about the Phantom 380 that is what I would buy (and will when my Equipe dies). The common comparison of planing vs schlogging leaves out the joys of cruising. In the 4-14 range a raceboard can give you joyous planing or joyous cruising. With your quiver you are well covered for stronger winds so a hybrid like the 320 would not extend the joyous range of your sailing as much as a raceboard would.
13th November 2009, 05:48 AM
I agree the old style longboards versus give you a glide in light winds that you cant get with a formula. I used longboards 13 years ago , a Mistral Comp SST, then gave it way.
I rebought a prisitine but old f-2 lightning last spring. ( could not afford the 380)
Havent looked back.
the feelling of what i would call "the glide" in subplaning conditions is nice.
Going down even a very slight swell, you can sheet in, put you feet forward near the nose and reach speeds that you could not do on flat water ,
A weird but fun feeling of speed without planing.
16th November 2009, 10:40 PM
Hi and thanks.
I've just bought a Mistral Equipe in excellent condition. It seems that it is competitive even to the new Phantom race 380 (and 15% of the price). I look forward to see what I can get from those 4-10 knot days, when my F159 won't plane.
It should be fun even with a 7.0 sail in 20 knots of wind, but again I'll be on my iSonic from 16 knots.
19th November 2009, 01:32 AM
All things being equal i think the new Phantom is alot faster then the equipe 2
and the older lightning race world cup edition.
I say this as me and two friends took all three boards out one day and comparison sailed. We all had the same advertised sized sails, neil pryde 8.5: V-8 , helium, and 8.5 loft dagger .
We all weighed within 20 lbs of each other.
The phantom pointed higher then the other boards. We switched sailors and still had the same result.
Now I admit while this wasnt very scientific ie we didnt all have the same "brand " of sail and were not able to do comparisons in anything other then light up to 7 knot winds, the difference was there.
You can look up a more detailed opinion ( and that is all it is ) on the longboardwindsurfing.com website.
If i had the money i would buy the new phantom, my lightning will "proabably " be beaten "IF" , and thats a big IF.... i cannot sail better and or get luckier when facing the phantom sailor.
Jeff E of the Great White North
19th November 2009, 11:20 PM
Thanks. Interesting ovservations from the real world. On "longboardwindsurfing" they note that:
"The worlds showed a close contest between the Equipe, Starboard Phantom Race and Exocet Warp X 380. Itís a good situation for the class, because we now have new boards that are highly competitive but donít outclass the old boards".
As I read it the Phantom is a great board but the older longboards aren't out. Other tests claim that the Equipe is faster than the Phantom in the light stuff, but that the Phantom stays much more controlled when the wind gets higher.
I'm going to try my Equipe this week-end. I don't race. If it works fine for me it's nice and if I get really into longboarding I will definitely look seriousely at the Phantom 380.
I'm just NOT into a 3000$ experiment if longboards aren't the solution to my (luxury) problems.
Maybe the Serenity should deserve some attention too..
20th November 2009, 08:57 PM
I agree Per, i found out the price of a phantom last years model and was dumbstruck, then even more so for the current design.
I try to keep the sailing funds allocated equally across the my equipment, so 3000 CDN on one board...not going to happen.
Last summer, I sailed against the older phantom last year and a few mistral one designs and equipes and the phantom did not fare so well.
but the owner had some bad luck with gear breakage in the up to 35 knot winds we had.
A mistral OD won the event.
My lightning race showed no speed deficit versus the OD and equipes but that is no suprise as they are close in shape , rocker and all over design.
20th November 2009, 09:02 PM
to continue Per, (sorry had to log out) It interesting , but find it counterintuitive that the larger phantom would be more controllable in higher winds then the equipe.
its so much more boxier then the boards ive seen ( ie: mistral OD , equipes, lighting race) and with a bigger centerboard i would think to rail the board upwind and press it for max pointing it would be harder to sail in heavier wind.
I would think it would take a "heavier" sailor to do this right in heavy airs.
20th November 2009, 09:19 PM
My Equipe is the first model, and actually the same board as the OD, just lighter. I'm glad to hear that the OD did quite well.
In 35 knots I (95 kgs) won't even be on my iSonic 122, but probably on my Aero with a 4.7 ;-)
I think that Starboard have done some developement in rocker and bottom design to get the Phantom flying i higher winds. Starboard are quite experts in this area. Anyway flying on a 380 cm long board in + 20 knots is a discipline in itself.
Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxMz3LMA6bc if you didn't see it already.. Cool...
Tomorrow I will go out to try my Equipe in a promised 10 knots of wind and sunshine, quite nice on a 56 northern latitude.
23rd November 2009, 03:19 AM
Per, that 1st model equipe is a rocketship in high winds. When I decided to take up racing years back i bought the mistral comp SST and my friend the equipe. the Comp was good in light airs and the equipe excelled in the heavy stuff.
The sail that came with the Competition was a 6.2 ( or 4??) semi battened sail, it was meant as an OD sail , It was basically worthless when racing. AT that time gaastra had just came out with the camber inducer !!
A big sail in those days was a 6.6.
Infact we still have a few guys at the beach who have nothing over a 6.6. their mindset is still way back.
You could carve gybe that equipe 1 easy!
24th November 2009, 03:13 AM
Great to hear..
My intention is to use the Equipe as a light wind board. This week-end I tried it with a 8.5 and 10.3 sail (both Tushingham Lightning twin cams). The 10.3 was surprisingly more efficient. The Equipe tacks with 6 to 10 knots of speed close to the wind, in wind strengths where my formula would struggle to stay on the plane or just sclog. Some pumping gave me 13 knots in quite non planing winds..Great feeling. When the wind dropped I could still go anywhere with normal sail boat speed.
Anyway in some gusts where the board went fully planing the foot straps still seemed half a metre too far back. The mix of a '95 racer and a 2008 race sail does take some getting used to. I'm sure though that in a steady +10 knots my F159 will outperform the longboard and in 15 to 20 knots my Isonic 122 will be way faster and more handy.
The good thing though is, that now windsurfing is fun from 6 knots of wind, and that little 4 knot margin to where my formula will be fully planing adds 50% more time on the water in my real life conditions.. Great....
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