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eli villalabeitia
7th January 2010, 07:13 AM
I am sailing Formula experience though in high wind condition I want to get a second board for 15 to 25 knts were FE starts to get hairy, I am 80kgs. The second condition is that I will share this board with my son, 50 kg and 15 years old, this would be his light wind board for lakes,with sails up to 7,2 . For high wind I use kode 102 and my son evo 75.

question one, will the ISonic 111 09 with two fins a good option for both
question 2 , Will the Futura 111 or 122 be an early planning board compared with the IS 111, I guess the IS is more techinical but not that different compared to FE.
Finally which one would be better going upwind

Thanks for your help
Eli

Remi
7th January 2010, 08:46 AM
Hi eli,

Looks like that the isonic 111 will be the good one for you and your son, but you didn t tell me about the sails that you will use on this board

All the best

elivillalabeitia
7th January 2010, 10:54 PM
Thank Remi, my son will be using 6,5 naish all terrain and 7,2 NP jet, as for me 8,5 severne element and need to get a decent 7,5 any suggestions?, I am not looking for racing.
My son is not using cambered sails as he is more comfortable with not much weight on the sails

Ken
8th January 2010, 03:32 AM
Eli,

I was in the same position as you, I had a formula 160 and a HiFly 105 move and wanted to fill in the gap with something in between. I weigh 79 kg. I do race, both formula and slalom (slalom occasionally). I am an amateur, age 64, but I have been racing for 25 years.

I picked the '08 iS 111, but seriously considered the Futura 111. The occasional slalom race pushed me to the iS. I haven't sailed a Futura, but from what I have read, it is more user friendly, a smoother ride and just about as fast as the iS.

The iS is fast, but it's a pretty rough ride when powered with my 6.6. A little smoother with my 7.6 and comfortable with my 8.4 if there is enough power. Slogging with the 8.4 is tough and a little difficult. The board wants to point up and it's hard to keep it off the wind or on a beam reach. Since there is little floatation in the nose, it's hard to push it off the wind in 5-10 knots. Not a sinker, but not a lot of floatation either. Uphauling is pretty easy with my 6.6 and 7.6 sails, but a little more difficult with my 8.4.

The iS will plane a bit sooner because of the wider tail, but probably not much different. It has outboard straps similar to the formula and it's a little difficult to get onto the back straps since they are so close to the rail.

I have gone over 30 knots (board speed on my gps) on both the iS and the HiFly. The HiFly is much more comfortable and less scary, but the iS is a little faster (1 knot).

All my sails from 6.6 up are Maui Sails TR race sails.

Formula 160 - 11.0, 9.2, 8.4 sails
iS 111 - 8.4, 7.6, 6.6 sails
HiFly 105 - 5.7, 5.0, 4.5 sails

In my opinion, if you like the challenge of mastering a full on slalom board - go for the iS. If you are looking for something more traditional and more user friendly, go for the Futura.

elivillalabeitia
8th January 2010, 08:55 AM
thanks Ken I read your post on sailing statistics , i got some inspirtaion from there I saw that your most used boards are formula and IS 111, as you said Futura is more comfortable I had 133 before the FE and sold it because the range was to close to FE. I think I will try the IS, apart from the what you mentioned they said the board is very stable when power up.
Thank again
Eli

elivillalabeitia
11th January 2010, 04:46 PM
Ken a question for you; I took the challenge and bought the IS 111, sailed it yesterday, your description of the board is very accurate.
First, I sailed in very gusty conditions and 15 to 18knots, 7,2 camless sail and 44"fin. It felt very stable and plane very nice tough you canīt step on the nose and the board insist to go upwind, no matter what, and I am used in short boarding to push the nose away with my front foot and hanging down, but the nose is so sensitive to pressure. Whatīs your technique for start planning and pushing the board on a beam reach so you get planning a bit more easily.
Thank you again
Eli

Ken
11th January 2010, 09:38 PM
Eli,

Really no different than a standard board, just more sensitive. To keep the board on a beam reach or to bear off a bit in slogging wind, you still have to move/tilt the rig forward with the front foot near the mast. A little more care has to be taken compared to a board with more flotation in the nose, but it is still the same process. I don't think hanging in the harness helps with turning the board off the wind, this will add too much weight on the front of the board.

Once the board's nose is at least 100 degrees off the wind, you can pump if necessary to get on plane.

Be careful that you don't sheet in too much trying to add power if the wind is too light. This heads the board upwind quickly and you will stall.

It just takes a little time to get comfortable with how this board handles. Also, the larger and heavier the rig, the greater the problems if you are slogging or in light winds.

Stick with it, it won't be long before you figure it out.

elivillalabeitia
11th January 2010, 11:23 PM
Thank you Ken I was able to plane yesterday, the problem was that i had put the rig practically in front of me every time i wanted to plane, once from there start to sheet in, on the other side I though that the fin, 44, was to big for the sail 7,2 without cambers, any way I realize that with more practice probably it will be better
Thanks Ken
Eli

willy
12th January 2010, 08:14 AM
Hi Eli, i had an IS 111 too but switched to a 101 due to my 70 kilos, what i learnt
from Isonics is that they like cambered sails the most, with a cambered sail you get on plane sooner as cambers get you going forward more easy so you don't have to force the board too much downwind. In four/five sessions you'll get dialed with it. Well done downgrading the fin. Just my 2 cts.

BelSkorpio
12th January 2010, 06:05 PM
Recently, I've bought myself an isonic 101 of 2009. Coudn't try it out yet, much too cold. I'm real curious about that thing with cambered versus non-cambered sails. I have a 7.5 cambered V8 of NP and a 6.3 non-cambered free-ride sail that I want to use on it. Many people already told me to get a new 6.x cambered race sail for it. No one can exactly explain why that is. Well soon I will find out. :)

Remi
13th January 2010, 08:08 AM
Hi BelSkorpio,

If you buy an iSonic is to get max performances, so at this time sails with cambers like Free Race and Racing sail will be better. The lenght balance will be perfect and the the extra power and stability that you get from this sails will give more confort in the tricky condition to go fast as possible. With the no cams sails of course it works but all this benefits will be not there, but more easy to handle and jibe; it's some where put Citroen 2ch engine in a Porsche. For no cam sails you will get better results on Futura boards than iSonic.

Hope this help

All the best

Haggar
14th January 2010, 04:05 AM
Hi, I am using a i122 with a 8.4 RSS in bay conditions, and whilst this combo is quick and handles chop well, it can be tiring and you need to concentrate all the time. I have been wondering whether I should have got a Futura instead. If you want to race then I'd say just go for the iSonic, if not and in choppy conditions, then go the Futura. I thought I would race, but hav'nt really had the time or the inclination yet : )

kvda
15th January 2010, 12:39 AM
well, I use a i125 with a RSS 8.4 on a choppy lake, and think it's great both in controll and speed. Are you sure better tuning cannot help you?

Haggar
15th January 2010, 04:09 AM
well, I use a i125 with a RSS 8.4 on a choppy lake, and think it's great both in controll and speed. Are you sure better tuning cannot help you?

Dont get me wrong, this combo handles the conditions very well. This is a place where I usually use a wave board for B&J, so even in 10 to 15 knots it is very lumpy, in fact I have found that the i122 jumps very well ; ) But if you are'nt concerned with speed, then a Futura would be better. My boards are i86, i122 and Acid86, I dont want to get a bigger wave board, so at the mo my i122 and 8.4 RSS is my 8 to 15 knts combo for any water state. I weigh 75 to 80 kgs, I usually have the 8.4 fully downhauled and I have my mast track in the centre, foot straps are in the recommended positions. I also dont sail this combo very often, maybe once every few months, so I guess my muscles never really get conditioned to the stances and positions that I sail in

Lanee
25th January 2010, 12:52 AM
I'm interested in Eli's comments about the iSonics pointing up into the wind. When I did a demo, it was marginal conditions. The iSonic was terrible for me in schlogging conditions , compared to my 152l Techno. Starting out was very difficult, unless I was well powered. If I wasn't, it would round up as soon as I stepped on the board. The same thing would happen when I would drop off a plane.

I'm sure it's something I can get used to, but is the Futura much different from the iSonic when in schlogging mode?

Lanee
25th January 2010, 12:54 AM
Are my above comments just the general nature of modern short and wide boards?

John1
25th January 2010, 08:14 PM
Are my above comments just the general nature of modern short and wide boards?


Hi. I have sailed the Futura 111 last summer. Its very different compared to the isonic refered to your questions above. It is very easy to "start" and in choppy waves you can be as quick as rhe iSonic because of a better control.

with regards,
JJ

Lanee
25th January 2010, 11:09 PM
The most frustrating thing was how the thing rounded up when dropping off a plane in marginal conditions. That big ol' Techno seemed to track fairly straight as it went through the process of dropping off a plane. This gave me room to quickly tilt the rig back to get out of the harness. The Star-Board slalom board I rode a few years ago would round up so fast that I couldn't get out of the harness. Then, I'd fall, and be stuck trying to waterstart in real light wind. So the Futura IS much different in this respect?

Ken
26th January 2010, 12:46 AM
Lanee,

I haven't been on a variety of new, short wide boards, but I do think the rounding up is the nature of these boards.

I was out yesterday on my iS 111 with a 6.6 and hit some big holes where the board came off plane quickly. You just have to be ready to pull both feet from the straps (back foot first) quickly before you lose too much speed, particularly the front foot which has to be placed near the mast foot to keep the nose from rounding up.

It just takes a little time to get used to the process, but I think the advantages of the short wide boards out weight the rounding up issue. I agree that the slogging is a pain the a##.

Haggar
26th January 2010, 06:14 AM
As Ken has said, with the modern shorter boards you need to put one foot up close to the mast base when its off the plane, if you do this you can sail quite OK if you get caught out and the wind drops