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mac33
31st January 2010, 04:30 AM
sailing in a slalom event yesterday i got hammered.

wind 25/35, gusting maybe higher.

on a 5.0m race sail rigged for survival mode,i could not gybe as still too much power in sail.

could hardly sail in straight line as well, although this was not the biggest problem.

when i managed to gybe, i was going so deep around mark that next mark almost became an upwind leg.

many on wave sails 4m-5m doing really well.

thinking now of buying my first wave sail.

thinking 4m or less for my 67kg in winds 25+ knots.

any advice.

joe_windsurfer
31st January 2010, 05:10 AM
wow, talk about rippin'

i have NO experience with that, but the james douglass sail calculator suggests 3.6 for your weight @ 25 knots and 3.0 for 30 knots

with that size, you might as well use your shorts as a sail :-)

man , the board must be tiny tooooo

good luck !!!

carvesalot
31st January 2010, 05:15 AM
2 (two) suggestions, very different
A. HotSail Maui SUPERFREAK
B. EZZY Panther

agrelon
31st January 2010, 12:34 PM
wow, talk about rippin'

i have NO experience with that, but the james douglass sail calculator suggests 3.6 for your weight @ 25 knots and 3.0 for 30 knots

with that size, you might as well use your shorts as a sail :-)

man , the board must be tiny tooooo

good luck !!!

That calculator is completely ridiculous, it says I should be taking sails some times almost 1m less than I do take out.

I would go for a cross over sail, like a NP Firefly 4.1m or 4.5m. Will probably be better for racing than a full on wave sail.

That being said I have a HSM Smack in 5.3 for medium to high wind and it's great to have a bullet proof sail as you can go out stressfree.

PG
31st January 2010, 05:57 PM
The step down from a 5.0 race sail ought to be something like a 4.0, maybe even 3.7. At your 68 kg it is not a sail for extreme winds, but a good high wind sail size.

Remember to get yourself a short enough mast for the sail so that it actually twists properly!

Jean-Marc
31st January 2010, 07:05 PM
the james douglass sail calculator suggests 3.6 for your weight @ 25 knots and 3.0 for 30 knots .

Way too small a suggested sail IMHO:

I'm using powerwave sails for my 65 kg as follows:
20-25 knots : 5.4 m2
25-30 knots : 4.7 m2
30-35 knots : 4.2 m2
35-40 knots : 3.6 m2
40-45 knots : 3.3 m2
45+ knots : 3.0 m2

Bear in mind that the range of a full-on cambered racing sail is larger than that of a no-cam wave sail.

Cheers !

JM

mac33
1st February 2010, 12:53 AM
looking at buying a neil pryde 3.9m the fly.

should be a good bit easier in 25 knots plus than my 5.0m.

race sails tend to be made not much less than 5.0m size.

nonopr
1st February 2010, 05:08 AM
I can aausre you a 5.0 TR-5 from MauiSails can handle that.

Unregistered
1st February 2010, 10:40 AM
I'm assuming you already have a 85 or 75l board. Don't forget to purchase fins to match the sail. One for overpowered and one for normal power.

My quiver 6.6 5.5 4.8 4.2 3.6 175lbs.

mac33
1st February 2010, 10:29 PM
i bought a tushingham rock 3.3m instead of 3.9m the fly. also had to buy second hand 370 mast x6 and small carbon boom to fit. good forecast 20/30 knots for tomorrow,can't wait. hope i use it more than a few times per year.

Unregistered
1st February 2010, 10:45 PM
i bought a tushingham rock 3.3m instead of 3.9m the fly. also had to buy second hand 370 mast x6 and small carbon boom to fit. good forecast 20/30 knots for tomorrow,can't wait. hope i use it more than a few times per year.

we can see your problem already...tush sails with np mast.
no wonder you're not going anywhere fast!
rig the proper mast i nthe proper sail and in 30k you can still handle a 6.3 slalom sail

PG
2nd February 2010, 12:59 AM
I think a Tush sail on a NP mast actually can work quite well. These two brands anyhow have the flexiest mastops of the bunch.
My concern would rather be that a 3.3 is a VERY small sail, here in Finland you "never" see sails that small despite 70 kg guys sailing in 40+ knots of wind. But, it will be a good sail to change down to from the 3.7-3.9 that you eventually will get anyhow.

joe_windsurfer
2nd February 2010, 03:57 AM
please keep us all informed of results :-)

IRL-250
2nd February 2010, 09:27 AM
Check out the KA Koncept here http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/sails/2010/2010_koncept.html

They make a 4.3m which is a great sail and would be perfect for you for sailing in 30 knots plus

Gestalt
2nd February 2010, 08:35 PM
The Ezzy Wave Panther is a brilliant sail, very stable, huge wind range, fit any mast and is almost indestructible.

mac33
3rd February 2010, 05:05 AM
sailed my 3.3m rock today in river not ocean. on my kinetic 80 litre slalom board and 25 fin.

wind very gusty, graph shows hit 32 knots. in lulls around 10 knots.

for a one sail below 5.0m, the 3.3m is too small! a 3.7 to 3.9m would have been a better allrounder.

i managed to get it planing around the 20/22 knot mark.

powered up sailing around the 25 knot mark.

ideal wind for me[in flat water] with this 3.3m, i think around 28 knots.

was continually falling off plane as wind was gusty.

in lulls was losing around 5 to 10 knots of boardspeed. very frustrating.

in 30 knot gusts was fast and controllable.

sheeted out maybe 3 or 4 times in 2 hours of sailing.

only legs a little tired at end of sailing, a huge change from
sailing my 5.0m vapor in these conditions.

put gps on, best 3 runs around 30 knots. fastest was 30.3 knots.

a great sail to use in ocean where wind is consistent, in sheltered water forget it.

the 4.3m ka race sail probably my next sail to fill the gap.

overall not unhappy with my $1000 purchase for boom ,mast and sail.

for the first time ever i was actually enjoying sailing in 30 knots.

Unregistered
3rd February 2010, 01:03 PM
Yes the 3.3 is probably a wee bit small.
However, you've got it, you'll love and cherish it and it will last you many years !
You now need a 4.0.
I was in Perth for 3 weeks (20 years ago) with an Energy XR and just one rig (a 6.0 NP race-forgotten which one!). I was then about 80 kgs and I used it on the Swan, Freo, Cotto and Bunbury for some racing.
I cant remember ever being overpowered.
I've also been to Penghu where its regularly 35-50 knots.
Albeau and Bringdal went down from 5.0 race sails to 4.0 wave sails.
I finished up buying a 4.0 NP combat wave and was staggered at how stable it was.
Good luck ! You are in a great place.

Unregistered
3rd February 2010, 01:07 PM
Another thing........
When racing, remember the old adage "go big or go home"
Robby Naish once said " there is worse things than being overpowered" !

Jean-Marc
5th February 2010, 05:04 AM
Mac33,

Since you've got a 370 cm mast already and live in Australia, you can get a 3 cambered Severne Overdrive 4.5 m2 slalom sail for example:

http://2009.severnesails.com/2009/products/sail_overdrive.php

Or get a 2008 Severne 4 cambered Code Red 4.6 m2 sail (cheap close-out sales or second-hand):

http://2008.severnesails.com/

In very gusty conditions, a full-on cambered sail is much more stable under load than a no-cam wave sail. You'll be faster, keep full speed longer and cope a better balance with the unavoidable sudden gusts and lulls on your dedicated slalom board.

Cheers!

JM