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agrelon
1st February 2010, 05:45 PM
Hi all,

I've come across these 2 boards for the same price. Naturally I would rather have the more recent board but 115l is borderline too big for me as I currently sail a 106l board.

Would the 115l, despite being bigger, be as fast as the 104l thanks to design improvements?

My priorities are blasting, and also hitting jumps off nice pieces of chop... My best sail is a 5.8m although I also have a 7.5m for light days and a 5.3m and 4.7m for stronger days...

What does the team think? Were the improvements in design over 2 years enough to make up for the added size?

(one thing I do like with the 115l is its width is the same as my current board, which is quite an easy width to jibe...)

Thanks.

Farlo
1st February 2010, 06:54 PM
ST104 2005 is an excellent board. I'm not sure later editions were any better. It is very fast, fun and well balanced: jibe should not be a problem for you. However 7.5 mē may be too big; 6.8 seems the very max recommended. The 115 is a good board too but a bit oversized for 4.7/5.3 IMHO. Looking for a one board solution at your weight, I would go for the 104 and replace the 7.5 by a 6.7 or so. If you plan a smaller board for hi-wind then 115 makes sense.

agrelon
1st February 2010, 07:52 PM
I've found a JP-Super X 106 2006 FWS which seems like a fantastic option at a much better price. Comes with a 33cm fin and a 38, and I already have a 28cm (all power box).

With those fins I can cover all of my sails, a luxury I haven't have in the past, sailing with one fin.

Any opinion?

Farlo
2nd February 2010, 05:50 PM
Don't want to promote JP here, but I also tried the SX106. It is a great board as well although I prefer the ST104 (Wood) for comfort/control in chops. The JP will plane a bit earlier, accelerate in a snap to similar top speed, be a lot more physical but take all your sails. $$ is another good argument, if not the ultimate. Whatever your decision, you will gain in liveliness and speed with respect to your AHD.

PS: don't know the 2007 model exactly but I remember the ST115 felt (and probably was) closer to 108 liters. Don't focus too much on volume but rather on recommended sail/fin range.

Unregistered
2nd February 2010, 08:57 PM
If if the 115 was 108 litres i would be suprised. While its not impossible I say this as the 104 floats me in fresh water and I am 90 kilos naked.
if you dont buy the 115, drop me a line ( is it in north america??) The S-Type were nice boards, while not an all out slalom, and not absolutley early planing, they are loose and fast , kinda like the kode.

jeff e of the gwn

Unregistered
2nd February 2010, 08:58 PM
the stock fin ( only 1 came with the board) on the s type 104 was WAAAAY too small.

Farlo
2nd February 2010, 10:43 PM
Well I don't know how much it was exactly but it felt less than 115 and the rumour was 108, not so far from ST104 but a bit wider.
Many riders replaced the stock fin of that time (2005) and not only because of size. Anyhow ST104/115 were good boards fur sure.

Per
2nd February 2010, 11:58 PM
I've had the S-type 115 (2005 model), and it's one of the fastest and greatest sailing boards I've ever had. It's not a big sail carrier (7.5 max for my 95 kgs) or early planing board though.
My iSonic 122 will carry more sail but surprisingly the S-type clocked a higher max speed.
At your weight (54 kgs) the 104 will be great. Why do you need + 60 litres? You won't carry more than 7.5 metre on the 115 and the 104 will be best with 7.0 as absolutely max.

I did + 30 knots easily on the 115 with a 5.7 sail, and surprisingly it worked with a 4.7.

The 104 will be great with your sails (except 7.5).

I've had an ST 126 as well and it didn't work with anything bigger than 8.0.. Actually it didn't really work for me at all...

Farlo
3rd February 2010, 06:28 PM
ST126 was my medium/light wind board for three years. I liked it but finally changed it because it was too bulky with anything smaller than 6.5 mē. Early planning was not a concern at my weight (68) but rather comfort in chops/high speed. This was mostly a matter of feeling; in fact the board was quite controllable but the +60 liters were cumbersome. The 104 is a lot better of course, although limited in sail size compared to boards of similar volume.

agrelon
6th February 2010, 02:58 PM
Don't want to promote JP here, but I also tried the SX106. It is a great board as well although I prefer the ST104 (Wood) for comfort/control in chops. The JP will plane a bit earlier, accelerate in a snap to similar top speed, be a lot more physical but take all your sails. $$ is another good argument, if not the ultimate. Whatever your decision, you will gain in liveliness and speed with respect to your AHD.

PS: don't know the 2007 model exactly but I remember the ST115 felt (and probably was) closer to 108 liters. Don't focus too much on volume but rather on recommended sail/fin range.

I got the JP Super X 106l today. Couldn't be happier. Unbelievable difference in performance coming from my AHD. Extremely fast, feels wider, planes sooo much earlier.

Thanks for your recommendation.

Farlo
8th February 2010, 12:50 AM
Prego. You can't go wrong with boards like those. Supercross disappeared as a discipline but some of the best shapes remain fantastic do-it-all, offering a superb combination of nervosity, speed, control and agility. Everything modern freeride should be. I wish you a lot of fun.

Unregistered
12th February 2010, 10:00 AM
sailed the s type 104 with a 7.2 two cammer, It worked but was sketchy, the small fin did not help, spun out easy had to take it easy on the backfoot pressure.

shredulato