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lirende
13th April 2010, 01:48 PM
Hlmff Sailmakers
The best place to find high quality, great priced cruising sails and racing sails from a trusted sailmaker. You will find detailed information on new sails including detailed photos of cruising sails, sailmaker design software and cutting equipment, sails and boats that we have built sails for in the past for you to view. There is a trim tips section to assist you to obtain the most out of all your sails. We have also included additional design information to enhance your knowledge before you purchase your new sail. There is an easy to use quote page where you can request a quote online for you new cruising sail or racing sail. Along with detailed measurement forms and spinnaker coloring diagrams for you to fill out so that your new sail will fit perfectly.
Enjoy the site and we look forward to talking with you.

Ken
13th April 2010, 09:37 PM
lirende,

You must be lost - go find some place else to waste your time.

Roger
13th April 2010, 09:38 PM
Hi Hlmff Sailmkers,
First question is.... do you make windsurfing sails, or only boat and yacht sails?
If you make windsurfing sails, I will leave your post here.
If you do not make windsurfing sails, I will remove your obvious avertisement.
You have 24 hours to reply.
Roger.... Moderator

lirende
14th April 2010, 08:03 AM
Hi Hlmff Sailmkers,
First question is.... do you make windsurfing sails, or only boat and yacht sails?
If you make windsurfing sails, I will leave your post here.
If you do not make windsurfing sails, I will remove your obvious avertisement.
You have 24 hours to reply.
Roger.... Moderator
of course ,our company make windsurfing sails ,if you need sails ,connect me.

lirende
14th April 2010, 08:08 AM
of course ,our company makes windsurfing sails ,if you want to more information ,see our homepage http://www.hlmffsailmaker.com/
then connect me

agrelon
14th April 2010, 08:10 AM
....or we could buy sails from a reputable company who's advertising schemes don't stretch as far as posting poorly written messages in windsurfing forums...

Roger
14th April 2010, 10:36 AM
Hi Lirende,
So, if you are indeed a loft that does fully battened, camber induced windsurfing
sails, why have none of us heard of your sails?
And perhaps some info as to why you chose to advertise on a windsurfing website
that has direct association with a major windsurfing sail loft?

Unregistered
14th April 2010, 08:33 PM
He is obviously a relative of that well known BS'er Jack Schitt.
Their website doesnt work as of today although a couple of days ago it did and there is NO REFERENCE to windsurfing sails.Of course he may be the father of Jack. That would be Fuller Schitt.

lirende
15th April 2010, 08:57 AM
Hi Lirende,
So, if you are indeed a loft that does fully battened, camber induced windsurfing
sails, why have none of us heard of your sails?
And perhaps some info as to why you chose to advertise on a windsurfing website
that has direct association with a major windsurfing sail loft?

about your first question ,because our company is located in china,you can search our campany website on google with the key worlds sailmakers in china .about the second question ,the reason is I am a beginner of sail company ,i think whatever related to sails i should catched , and i want to give more chance to the people who need sails

lirende
15th April 2010, 09:09 AM
He is obviously a relative of that well known BS'er Jack Schitt.
Their website doesnt work as of today although a couple of days ago it did and there is NO REFERENCE to windsurfing sails.Of course he may be the father of Jack. That would be Fuller Schitt.
hehe , thank you for your suggestion,may i the jack but not his father!it is a joke ,i am a stuff member of the company

lirende
15th April 2010, 09:11 AM
....or we could buy sails from a reputable company who's advertising schemes don't stretch as far as posting poorly written messages in windsurfing forums...

what do your think of china company?

agrelon
15th April 2010, 10:00 AM
what do your think of china company?

Not exactly sure what I think of a company that advertises on public forums, maybe that they should practice some more legit marketing techniques.

Also, isn't Aerotech Sails already based in Hong Kong?

I'm not sure how your company is doing as a Sailmaker, but as a windsurfing sailmaker I'm not sure you'll get very far.... As there are already so many different windsurfing sailmakers in the market that you're more than likely to lose out due to a lack of brand recognition.

That's what I think.

lirende
16th April 2010, 09:00 AM
Not exactly sure what I think of a company that advertises on public forums, maybe that they should practice some more legit marketing techniques.

Also, isn't Aerotech Sails already based in Hong Kong?

I'm not sure how your company is doing as a Sailmaker, but as a windsurfing sailmaker I'm not sure you'll get very far.... As there are already so many different windsurfing sailmakers in the market that you're more than likely to lose out due to a lack of brand recognition.

That's what I think.
Thank you for your suggestion ,our company has public the advertisement on google ,and some of you doublt if i should not advertise on this forum ,i should explain for this ,because i am just a new staff in this company ,and my boss said that you should find some customer on the internet ,so i post this thread .and now i know i am wrong .

Roger
16th April 2010, 09:17 AM
Lirende,
Thank you for the frank and honest answer!
I think it better that I remove your posting from this windsurfing forum.
I applaude you for being creative!
Roger

Unregistered
16th April 2010, 01:23 PM
lirende, a few tips and I am not being malicious or angry.

As roger has implied I believe you are in the wrong place, and you target market is not here...on this website
If your boss has told you to go on the net and advertise, I assume you have a role in marketing.
You need to educate yourself.

Start by 1. learn more about sails, and the very different sail craft they are put on.

2.target what you make to that market.

Roger is being very nice in his interpretation of your effort.

But what you have done here looks very shabby and quite honestly very unprofessional to the average windsurfer here

Example : spinnakers are not used on windsurfers AND this is a windsurfing website.

china is getting a very bad reputation for businesses trying to do the quick sale make shabby product ,
so many people also interpret your message with this in mind.

good luck !!

kiwiben
20th April 2010, 06:09 AM
Hi Lirende,

I think your company sounds fantastic, and I would like to order a "People's Number 1 Super-Racing Windsurf Sail" with a matching "Great Helmsman Super Industrial Spinnaker" please.

I usually prefer my sails to use "Carbon reinforced Kevlar" as the main material, but your new CSR ("Coal Stained Rags") technology sounds excellent too, so let's go with that shall we?

I look forward to amazing and crushing my Bourgeois Capitalist friends with your superior technology.

yours sincerely, KiwiBen

lirende
21st April 2010, 09:19 AM
lirende, a few tips and I am not being malicious or angry.

As roger has implied I believe you are in the wrong place, and you target market is not here...on this website
If your boss has told you to go on the net and advertise, I assume you have a role in marketing.
You need to educate yourself.

Start by 1. learn more about sails, and the very different sail craft they are put on.

2.target what you make to that market.

Roger is being very nice in his interpretation of your effort.

But what you have done here looks very shabby and quite honestly very unprofessional to the average windsurfer here

Example : spinnakers are not used on windsurfers AND this is a windsurfing website.

china is getting a very bad reputation for businesses trying to do the quick sale make shabby product ,
so many people also interpret your message with this in mind.

good luck !!

thanks for your suggestions ,and I am very grateful to agrelon,I am sure I will work harder ,and learn more about sail ,it is my honor to be here and to know you all!

lirende
21st April 2010, 09:48 AM
Hi Lirende,

I think your company sounds fantastic, and I would like to order a "People's Number 1 Super-Racing Windsurf Sail" with a matching "Great Helmsman Super Industrial Spinnaker" please.

I usually prefer my sails to use "Carbon reinforced Kevlar" as the main material, but your new CSR ("Coal Stained Rags") technology sounds excellent too, so let's go with that shall we?

I look forward to amazing and crushing my Bourgeois Capitalist friends with your superior technology.

yours sincerely, KiwiBen
hello KiwiBen
I am very honor to receive your messages,and I am glad to know you ,If you want to order a sail ,look follows:
first i think you can go through our website http://www.hlmffsailmaker.com/ and you can see the process for ordering .we can provide sails cutom made .
If you have questions ,connect me .
BEST regards
yours sincerely lirende

agrelon
21st April 2010, 11:14 AM
Hi Lirende,

I think your company sounds fantastic, and I would like to order a "People's Number 1 Super-Racing Windsurf Sail" with a matching "Great Helmsman Super Industrial Spinnaker" please.

I usually prefer my sails to use "Carbon reinforced Kevlar" as the main material, but your new CSR ("Coal Stained Rags") technology sounds excellent too, so let's go with that shall we?

I look forward to amazing and crushing my Bourgeois Capitalist friends with your superior technology.

yours sincerely, KiwiBen

Hilarious post! True Kiwi humour, love it.

lirende
22nd April 2010, 08:20 AM
it is really fuuny! I need to improve my skill urgency.maybe i am a clown here,because i even donnot know someone kidding me .here i would say thank you ,and i will be powerful than before

lirende
22nd April 2010, 08:23 AM
Hi Lirende,

I think your company sounds fantastic, and I would like to order a "People's Number 1 Super-Racing Windsurf Sail" with a matching "Great Helmsman Super Industrial Spinnaker" please.

I usually prefer my sails to use "Carbon reinforced Kevlar" as the main material, but your new CSR ("Coal Stained Rags") technology sounds excellent too, so let's go with that shall we?

I look forward to amazing and crushing my Bourgeois Capitalist friends with your superior technology.

yours sincerely, KiwiBen

it's really funny

kiwiben
22nd April 2010, 11:16 AM
Dear lirende,

I do think you're great... your perseverance and good nature are the only thing keeping this thread from being taken and destroyed by the censors... if you can post a youtube video of yourself and your factory you may become a minor celebrity. Hell, you could even sell a few sails...

Hey, you should get in touch with Agrelon, he's in Hong Kong I think.... He might even give you a go on his Futura 93...

All my love, Ben

agrelon
22nd April 2010, 02:09 PM
Dear lirende,

I do think you're great... your perseverance and good nature are the only thing keeping this thread from being taken and destroyed by the censors... if you can post a youtube video of yourself and your factory you may become a minor celebrity. Hell, you could even sell a few sails...

Hey, you should get in touch with Agrelon, he's in Hong Kong I think.... He might even give you a go on his Futura 93...

All my love, Ben

He's only getting on my Futura if I get a custom made charcoal ragged, coal induced race sail.

kiwiben
22nd April 2010, 02:20 PM
I think that can be arranged...

Lirende? Are you there mate? I think I just got you your first test pilot...

agrelon
22nd April 2010, 03:13 PM
I think that can be arranged...

Lirende? Are you there mate? I think I just got you your first test pilot...

Yeah, you're gonna need a commission. Not sure how well a rag sail would waterstart...

Unregistered
22nd April 2010, 04:56 PM
Dear Lirende
I was curious so I went to vistit your website, but I can only see a single page with no links to options, price lists, etc... Nothing about windsurf sails.
I've heard about some very cheap kiteboarding sails from China brands, and I've seen also some cheap windsurf sails sold on ebay.de that I suppose coming from China, like a nocam 9,5 "Hawain Art" (not Hawaiian...). I don't know anything about quality.
I think you must accept that this is a free forum in our free world. So opinions even if strong are normal.
Also in Italy we had many problems about poor quality of China products, it seems that now China market is focused only on low prices no matter the quality; and in the past wasn't always so, let's think about famous chinese vases and porcelain, known as best quality products.
My friend from US tells me that success and money is the only religion of many chinese people he knows. Sure too much bad opinion, I think. But something even if not all it's true, products are not made only by prices and people working 12 hours for each day, but also from freedom of thinking, fantasy, culture in the background, see us in Italy. This seems the factors you have lost in China, pheraps because of loss of freedom.
Finally accept a joke from me, without being angry with me: would it be possible in the future to have from your chinese factory a windsurf sail with painted the image of the (glorious) tanker man in Tianammen?
Nico

agrelon
22nd April 2010, 07:35 PM
Dear Lirende
I was curious so I went to vistit your website, but I can only see a single page with no links to options, price lists, etc... Nothing about windsurf sails.
I've heard about some very cheap kiteboarding sails from China brands, and I've seen also some cheap windsurf sails sold on ebay.de that I suppose coming from China, like a nocam 9,5 "Hawain Art" (not Hawaiian...). I don't know anything about quality.
I think you must accept that this is a free forum in our free world. So opinions even if strong are normal.
Also in Italy we had many problems about poor quality of China products, it seems that now China market is focused only on low prices no matter the quality; and in the past wasn't always so, let's think about famous chinese vases and porcelain, known as best quality products.
My friend from US tells me that success and money is the only religion of many chinese people he knows. Sure too much bad opinion, I think. But something even if not all it's true, products are not made only by prices and people working 12 hours for each day, but also from freedom of thinking, fantasy, culture in the background, see us in Italy. This seems the factors you have lost in China, pheraps because of loss of freedom.
Finally accept a joke from me, without being angry with me: would it be possible in the future to have from your chinese factory a windsurf sail with painted the image of the (glorious) tanker man in Tianammen?
Nico

You would get so much beach cred with a graphic of that on your sail, it could be pretty insane!

lirende
23rd April 2010, 08:48 AM
Dear lirende,

I do think you're great... your perseverance and good nature are the only thing keeping this thread from being taken and destroyed by the censors... if you can post a youtube video of yourself and your factory you may become a minor celebrity. Hell, you could even sell a few sails...

Hey, you should get in touch with Agrelon, he's in Hong Kong I think.... He might even give you a go on his Futura 93...

All my love, Ben

thank you for your advice,I will try.

lirende
23rd April 2010, 09:08 AM
Dear Lirende
I was curious so I went to vistit your website, but I can only see a single page with no links to options, price lists, etc... Nothing about windsurf sails.
I've heard about some very cheap kiteboarding sails from China brands, and I've seen also some cheap windsurf sails sold on ebay.de that I suppose coming from China, like a nocam 9,5 "Hawain Art" (not Hawaiian...). I don't know anything about quality.
I think you must accept that this is a free forum in our free world. So opinions even if strong are normal.
Also in Italy we had many problems about poor quality of China products, it seems that now China market is focused only on low prices no matter the quality; and in the past wasn't always so, let's think about famous chinese vases and porcelain, known as best quality products.
My friend from US tells me that success and money is the only religion of many chinese people he knows. Sure too much bad opinion, I think. But something even if not all it's true, products are not made only by prices and people working 12 hours for each day, but also from freedom of thinking, fantasy, culture in the background, see us in Italy. This seems the factors you have lost in China, pheraps because of loss of freedom.
Finally accept a joke from me, without being angry with me: would it be possible in the future to have from your chinese factory a windsurf sail with painted the image of the (glorious) tanker man in Tianammen?
Nico
Thank you for your objective assess about chinese products,I think everything has its except,the quality of our sail absolutely has no problem,now our company connect someone who are foreigers as our agent ,my company's aim is earn the reputation and trust form freign customers .I agree with you that most chinese products are low price ,but not all of them are in bad qulity.as you said you vistited our website, but you could only see a single page with no links to options, price lists, etc... Nothing about windsurf sails.I should say something about this,our company is sailmakers ,we will make windsurfing sail as cumtomer required,customer will give some statisitcs ,then we will make the sail.our company like UK-halsey ,but we did have a long history as UK.

lirende
23rd April 2010, 09:12 AM
if you didnot find the any links from our website ,you can try to search in google "sailmakers in china" our website really exsit many links.

Floyd
25th April 2010, 05:39 PM
Aren`t most sails made in China anyhow ?

Missing middle man out seems a good idea !

lirende
26th April 2010, 01:47 PM
aren`t most sails made in china anyhow ?

Missing middle man out seems a good idea !

it is true i will work harder

lirende
26th April 2010, 01:52 PM
Is windsurfing really exciting ?now i have no experience and i have no money to buy a sail or a windsurfing board, when i earn some money ,i must try.I am eage to know the knowledge of sails.

PG
26th April 2010, 03:19 PM
My suggestion: keep out of windsurfing sail making.

It is totally different to traditional sailing boat sails. Requires extensive testing and learning. And the market is small and not very profitable.

There must be easier ways to make a living, especially if not a windsurfer yourself.

lirende
27th April 2010, 07:58 AM
My suggestion: keep out of windsurfing sail making.

It is totally different to traditional sailing boat sails. Requires extensive testing and learning. And the market is small and not very profitable.

There must be easier ways to make a living, especially if not a windsurfer yourself.

thank you for your suggeation ,I will follow your suggestion

agrelon
17th January 2011, 02:36 PM
SailsEast are based in Hong Kong I believe. They also make windsurfing sails, Aerotech.

Lasher
22nd January 2011, 07:06 AM
Hey buddies
Are you aware that this Lirende guy made a perfect business here? His goodies may not be so good and their web page may not be anything close to be a web page, But, Now we all know about them !!!!
He somehow succeded to advertise here with great success :)) Boss must be proud now :)))

But, there is another possobility and perhaps a conspiracy theory: The Lirende guy who wrote the frirst post is not not-so-good in english but knows what he is doing exactly. He deliberately chooses to use a not-so-good expression, because he knows it will make business ;)

Both ways, they win :)))Look at the forum stats !!! Hits are probably more than the test reports of 2011 severne ....awesome :))))

Cograts Lirende :))