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Guest
30th December 2006, 04:22 PM
Hi

I am looking to buy a new sail for my HS 111 to replace both a 7.8 nocam and a 9.5 3-cam (cams broken - too difficult a sail to handle and rig for me).

I want a rather light sail (8.0 or 8.5 with 2 small cams?) with enough power to keep the best out of this great board.

Any suggestions ?

cheers
Charlie

Guest
30th December 2006, 07:17 PM
I have an Ezzy Infinity 8.5 that has good range and is easy to rig and handle relative to a race sail. That might be a good brand to try.

Guest
30th December 2006, 09:33 PM
i have a gun sails booster 8 mq is a good sail and have a low cost

o2bnme
31st December 2006, 12:06 AM
I would suggest the Ezzy Infinity or the Sailworks Retro. I'm a Retro fan, but I know many sailors who do very well with the Infinity. I have an 8.0 Retro that I love. It has an amazing range. I have only used it when it is fully powered up at this point, but I can attest that in overpowering conditions, it does very well.

steveC
31st December 2006, 12:45 AM
You might want to check out Hansen Sails at the following website.

http://www.calcupevents.com/Stores/Hansen/Hansen_Store.htm

The Freerace HCL line would be perfect for your needs, as you can elect to use 1, 2, or 3 cams; or even with no cams at all. The sail has been designed to effectively work in any of these modes (I actually prefer the no cam mode). Also, the Hansen Compliant Leech (HCL) technology is a brand new concept that has distinct performance advantages. You can read more about this sail and the HCL technology at this website address:

http://www.hansensails.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40

I should point out that Hansen Sails is just starting up as a company, so sails are going to be manufactured on pre-order basis. It's important to note that the sail designer, Bill Hansen, was the original founder and designer of Windwing Sails, so the relative newness of Hansen Sails as a company shouldn't be considered a downside. Bill Hansen is a very talented and innovative sail designer that has been actively designing and manufacturing windsurfing sails since 1982. Without a doubt, one of the most experienced guys in the business.

Lastly, I should emphasize that I'm not associated with Hansen Sails in any way. I'm simply a dedicated customer that really appreciates Bill Hansen's work. If you have any specific questions about the sails, you can post them on the Hansen Sails forum.

http://www.hansensails.com/Forum

-Lampi-
31st December 2006, 01:32 AM
HI!

You migth want to look at the superspeed HOT sails maui sail. It has no cambers, but it looks just like a sail with cambers. They say, that it hast the good sides of both cam and nocam sails, so that would be that its easy to jibe and it has a lot of power. The downside of it is that you would have to buy a new mast because it works with an RDM. That might be an obstacle, BUT if you have the money to buy it its definately a good choice.

Here is a link to its site and to a video about the sail...

http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/2007/sails.php?sail=superspeed
http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/2007/videoplayer.php?filename=06superspeed.mov&type=mov&width=320&height=240

Lampi


p.s i dont work for HSM...:D

Ian Fox
31st December 2006, 02:13 AM
For simplicity there is no doubting a good nocam is the way to go, and some of the examples mentioned here are benchmarks in that category, but to get the most from the HS you need a sail that is particularly draft stable (get the most from the wide performance range of HS) as well as very responsive to use of adjustable/variable outhaul (especially if you are looking at light to medium HS111 sail sizes and moreso if looking to replace 2 sails with 1 - and and thus squeezing the most from that 1).

That pretty much indicates cam sails, but still keeping it simple maybe more "freerace" or cammed freeride, rather than (the usually more complex) full race sails.

Choosing a sail that is slightly "gruntier", but then taking a slightly (half size or say 0.5m in that 8-9m range) smaller size also works very well with the "one sail/max HS range" combo ; the grunt obviously helping the lightwind/bottom end as well as getting the HS onto the plane easier, whilst the smaller area tends to keep the overall drag down and allow better top end. Usually "grunty" sails are ultimately a little less stable at top end, however agian taking a slightly smaller size both improves the stability (for a given type of sail) and also makes dealing with any instability (at speed/overpower) less of an issue than a larger version of the same type of sail.

There are plenty of good sails on the market to match this spec, and a lot of the modern freerace/cam freeride sails are quite simple to rig, very easy to use and durable. In combo with the HS, the results can be an exceptionally rangy, practical (one size) and versatile package.

Cheers ~ Ian

Guest
31st December 2006, 02:42 AM
Many thanks to Ian in particular for the specific feedback, and to all the others for the various suggestions (most of which don't seem v. easy brands to find in Europe from my short experience).

Anyway I will go for a 2- or 3-cammed sail with a slightly smaller size, then (closer to 8 than 9 sq.m.).

tks a lot,
C

qldsalty
31st December 2006, 04:59 AM
Guest c, I'm now on my second Hyper 111 ( changed from dram to wood) and use almost exclusively 8.5 sails on this board. I had a 2005 NP V8 first which was very difficult to rig downhaul wise but would get the board planning easily in 10knots. Now I have a NP RS6 8.4 which is excellent for the wind range you are after. I don't use a expensive X9 mast only the x6. This race sail having four cams is the easiest cammed sail I've ever had to rig. If you follow the video procedure and may sure you keep the down haul to 10 cm short the cams pop on with ease. It is a perfect sail for the hyper through to about 18 knts. I also have the NP MXT extention which makes downhauling by hand a breeze. Like Ian said adjustable will give it even more. I don't have it but thats next on the list. I'm sure that the RSS would be even better as it has the 2 or 3 cams you want and is tuned around x6 equipment. I'll get one of those next year. If the 2007 V8 rigs the same as the RS series they would be worth a look as well ( 2 cams). They probably rig a lot easier than the 2005 model. One thing about NP sails is they take about 5 good sails to stretch in. SO if you get one don't be dissapointed at the start. It will be stiff and hard to rotate at first, but by the tenth sail they are worth their weight in gold. Take the spacers out at the start then put them back as it stretchs and keep the luff tight. I have a friend who rides the exact kit on the same board and he also is very happy. We are just under 30kts with this kit and 48 cm fin. Hope these are available in Euro.

Philip
31st December 2006, 09:45 AM
Am using a mix of twin cam and no cam sails on HS111. Yes, if using no cam sail on HS 111 the the rigging is critical - small changes to settings make a big difference when operating at either end of the wind range. HS responds well to sails that are efficient at the top of their wind range, whether camed or not. HS likes to be driven with the smallest fin and sail combo that will work on the day. I tend to rig small than large to get that effortless ride when it lights up.

John1
31st December 2006, 10:31 PM
Ezzy has done a new sail: The Ezzy Freeride has the forward, deep-draft profile and therfore I think its a very good sail just for the Hypersonic. My opinion is that the boards has a very strong force in the underwater design which obligate you to use a lot of power with the rear foot giving the sensation that the frontfoot is flying out of the strap when you are well powered. The Ezzy freeride can help you to give more power forward and give the sensation of equal power for both feets.
JJ.

Julian
1st January 2007, 11:51 PM
To make your life a little more difficult: Tushingham Lightning's are great freeracing sails. Have used a 8.5 and 7.0 on my iSonic 125 and am now using them on my iSonic 111. These sails are stable, fast, user friendly (very easy rigging) and have a good handling. I don't know where you live, but if you live in the Netherlands, send me a message and you can always try my sails!

Guest
2nd January 2007, 07:22 AM
I must say that I agree with Julian.
For ease of use, performance, windrange, quality & price (what did I miss out?) it's really hard to fault the twin-cam Tushingham lightnings.
I know that people will say that I'm biased, being the Australian importer, but the reason that we choose to import them is because they are so good!!
Give them a demo - I'm sure that you'll agree.

Haqppy New Year to all.

Jez . www.jez@2ndwind.com.au

andreas
2nd January 2007, 02:52 PM
I am using a 8.5m North R-Type from 2006 with my HS111. It has two cambers and I find it very easy to rigg. I can plain in 15km/h windspeed (75kg). The sail is very stable an has a superb performance up to 5 beaufort (I mostly sail on lake with minimum chop of 15cm). The second sail I use with my Hyper is a Gun Sails Tempo (6.4m with 2 cams). With these two sails I get the most out of my beloved Hypersonic.

Hang loose, Andreas

Julian
2nd January 2007, 09:07 PM
I've sailed with the R-Type some times, and my experience is that this sail feels like a camberless sail, but without all the nice things that camber inducers give! No good profile, heavy and the foot of the sail is s?? low, that the sail gets in the water too fast (and therefore closing the gap isn't very nice).

Not my recommendation, and besides: with that weight, it isn't th??t hard to plane in 15 knots with 8.5 ...

John1
2nd January 2007, 11:00 PM
Again:
I think that Ezzy Freeride has the most forward, deep-draft profile of all the sails at the market and that this parameter is important for the HS-boards (because of its underwaterdesign.
JJ

John1
2nd January 2007, 11:01 PM
Again:
I think that Ezzy Freeride has the most forward, deep-draft profile of all the sails at the market and that this parameter is important for the HS-boards (because of its underwaterdesign.
JJ

Julian
3rd January 2007, 05:45 AM
Maybe you're right, but have you tested other sails and came to this conclusion? Or are you in some way an Ezzy empolyee and is you're opinion somewhat pre-set?

I had an interview with David Ezzy about the new freeride for www.surfgear.nl, and the most interesting thing I learned that David said he never thought he could make a camberless sail with the profile of a camber induced one, but the Freeride proved him wrong!

Interesting that he discovered how to do that, but why keep the infinity then?

andreas
3rd January 2007, 12:17 PM
@Julian: I just wrote what sails I am using and what I think about them. I like the R-Type.

By the way you should read carefully: I wrote 15km/h NOT knots (15km/h ~ 3 beaufort ~ 8 knots).

Hang loose, Andreas.

Julian
3rd January 2007, 03:04 PM
Hey, I never said your opinion was wrong, did I ;) but I gave my opinion about the sail too, so that he can take that factor with him in his decision :D

And sorry about the misreading, guess I need to get used to the fact that other parts of the world use km/h as a wind standard, not knots ;)

John1
4th January 2007, 04:00 AM
Hi Julian
I??m not an Ezzy empolyeed but Have some Ezzy sails. I also have Tushingham Ligtning 9,4 and another smaller. The ligthning is a very good sail and specially when powered up. But I have understood that Charley wants a "freeride like" sail, facil to handle, both in the upper and lower windregister. For the Hypersonic boards I have learnt that its very important to have a sail with power to help the board to planning conditions (difficult with the HS). When powered up its important to have a stable forward, draft profile in the sail to get a balanced board with equal forces to both legs. With the HS you have the tendency to sail with maximal attention not to loose the equilibrium between all the forcesand you will soon be tired. Its difficult to make the sailtrimming, with boomhight, footstrap positioning and mastfoot placement.

Therfore I think that a extrem forward, deep-draft profile would facilitate that trimming and specially if this profil will stay even in well powered up conditions. If uoy do not have experiences with the Ezzy sail I will recommend the tushingham sails. Another reason to buy the Ezzy sail its the quality which is superior to most of the other brands.
I would be very glad to hear some comments from a more professional than myself.
With regards,
John J.

Julian
5th January 2007, 01:31 AM
Interesting what you say here JJ, what are your experiences with a camberless sail like the Freeride on a Slalom board like the HS? I once put a Gaastra Matrix on my iSonic but that didn't work out too well, sail profile didn't give me enough power to get going...

On the other side, HotSails makes very good camberless speedsails, so maybe Ezzy did even better than I think with the Ezzy Freeride ;)