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Meindert
23rd August 2010, 04:39 PM
Hello All,

Also posted this message in Kevin's corner but I am also curious as to what others have to say! So here go's..

I am planning on buying some new boards and I think it will be the new iSonic 2011. I am having the following sails...

6.2 - 7.0 - 7.8 - 8.6 and maybe a 9.6 in the future.

Which board quiver would be best? I am thinking of

127 - 8.6 maybe 9.6
107 - 8.6/7.8/7.0
87 - 7.0/6.2

or

117 Wide - 8.6 maybe 9.6
107 - 8.6/7.8/7.0
87 - 7.0/6.2

I am leaning more the first range because I think it fits better... What is you're opinion?

Thanks!

Meindert

Maximus
23rd August 2010, 08:23 PM
Hi Meindert

I wouldn't go for any of those combinations, also would never consider 9.6, unless you're well over 100kg's...

Try this:

107 - 8.6/7.8
90 - 7.8/7.0/6.2

These 2 sizes are the most versatile.

Meindert
23rd August 2010, 08:45 PM
@Maximus

I am 80kg.... I am considering the 9.6 as a replacement for formula but am not sure yet...

That's also why I am considering a 127. With only the 107 I think I will have gap in low wind....

Meindert
23rd August 2010, 08:50 PM
I am also wondering why the 117 Wide is so special!??Is it just filling the gap between 117 en 127? Or is the board conceptually very different than the 117 and 127? maybe somebody from the starboard team can comment?

nonopr
23rd August 2010, 10:21 PM
After taking a look at the range. I will go 87, 107 and 117 Wide.
I have 80 kilos.
The tricky part will be the fins.

Meindert
23rd August 2010, 10:59 PM
@nonopr

Why this range and not the 127???

nonopr
24th August 2010, 05:11 AM
The 127 now is like the 131 last year and I did not need a board that big for Slalom racing now that there is a 117wide with 80cm wide I rather replace the 131 with it. It hold the biggest sail I will use and it is lighter, less volume with almost same water displacement for early speed. 127 is just too big for me and it gets over power very easy.
Thanks

Deja Vu
24th August 2010, 07:30 AM
Here are the boards I'd pick.

IS 147 - 8.6 to 10.8 sq. m.
IS 107 - 6.5 to 8.6 sq. m.
IS 87 - 4.8 to 6.5 sq. m.

What a fun quiver that would be and it would cover just about all sailable wind ranges.

ThierryP
24th August 2010, 07:48 AM
Meindert,

I am about your weight (mine fluctuates between 78 and 80 kgs), and I would agree with Maximus. By trial and error, I came to the conclusion that if you do not do slalom racing in light winds, you do not need any board between a Formula and a 107. I used to have an iS 133, then I bought a Formula and an iS 122, and then an iS 111 woodcarb, and I sold the 122 because I was no longer using it. I use my Formula with TR-6 10.0 and 8.4, and if I'm on the 8.4 and the Formula and the wind picks up too much, I keep the 8.4 and go down to the 111; that board carries the 8.4 very well.
I have a friend who is a few kgs heavier than I, he is on different boards brands, but he has also reached the same conclusion, and has no board between his Starboard Formula and his Falcon 112.
My advice: keep the Formula (there's nothing like one in light winds), get the 107, and then work down from there, depending on how much wind you get on your spots. There's a BIG difference between a 111 and a 101, so I assume it would be the same between 107 and 97. If you keep the Formula and buy 3 boards, go 107, 97, 87. If you are limited by space and cannot store more than 3 boards, keep the Formula, and like Maximus advises, go for the 107 and the 90.

Formula: 9.6 and 8.6
107: 8.6, 7.8 and 7.0
Option 1
97: 7.8 and 7.0
87: 7.0 and 6.2
Option 2
90: 7.0 and 6.2

Good luck!

Meindert
24th August 2010, 01:21 PM
I am doing slalom races in light winds and the 107 is not the boards for that. You need something wider that carries a bigger sail easier in light winds. That's why I am doubting between a 127 and 117Wide. Since the 107 is pretty versatile and the 8.6 seems to be the best match for 127 I think I will have less overlap with these. However the 117Wide is new so I am not sure what it will do.

I am curently sailing a iSonic 133 and find it easy to sail even in stronger winds. It runs pretty high on the water but it does not 'fly' out of control easily. I have no control problems with it....

@ThierryP If you are using the formula with 10.0 and 8.6 only you are not getting the max out of it. Formula boards are made for upwind and downwind and to do that properly they need 11.0 or 12.0. 10.0 is used in 25kts and higher.... I think you would be better of with a big slalom board that carries a 10.0....

Remi
24th August 2010, 02:36 PM
Hi Meindert,

In your case, I will recommand you the iSonic 117 Wide, it will be perfect for racers at 80 kgs or less as the light wind board.

117 Wide : 7.8 & 8.6
107 : 7.0, 7.8
87/90 : 6.2 & 7.0 depend of the water condition you get in your place.

All the best

Meindert
24th August 2010, 03:27 PM
Hi Remi,

Thanks for you're answer. Will the 117W also carry a 9.6? I am currently not owning a sail in that size but am considering that when stopping with formula.I am also not sure if a 9.6 adds something in light wind conditions!? Or will a 8.6 also do the job for somebody of my weight?

I have a 2007 iSonic 87 now and like it. I usually sail on choppy water with short steep waves. It think the 87 is better controllable in this type of water. What is you're opinion?

Meindert

Remi
24th August 2010, 03:47 PM
Hi Meindert,

At 80kgs for racing in the PWA format, 8.6 should be enough, 9.6 will work but will be not efficient as the 8.6.

If 86 was perfect for yopur condition go for the 87 who will give more early planning, control, acceleration and speed.

Hope this help

All the best

Meindert
24th August 2010, 05:28 PM
@Remi

No It think about it I have never sailed a iSonic 97 or 90... But my guess is the 87 is better in choppy conditions...

Marko
24th August 2010, 08:11 PM
Hi Remi,

which 2 isonics would you recommend not for PWA event but for IFCA slalom event where 2 boards / 4 sails are allowed, 11 knots windlimit. Same weight (80kg), and lets say that you can expect all kind of conditions at the event. Sails 8.4-7.6-6.7-6.0...

Thanks

Remi
30th August 2010, 04:44 AM
Hi Meindert,

For your sails, your weight and racing slalom use, you should consider this choice :

iSonic 117 Wide : 7.8/8.6 : Deboichet R16 42/46
iSonic 107 : 7.0/7.8 : Deboichet SL4 38/40
iSonic 87 : 6.2/7.0 : Deboichet SL4 34/36

All the best

Meindert
30th August 2010, 04:09 PM
Hi Meindert,

For your sails, your weight and racing slalom use, you should consider this choice :

iSonic 117 Wide : 7.8/8.6 : Deboichet R16 42/46
iSonic 107 : 7.0/7.8 : Deboichet SL4 38/40
iSonic 87 : 6.2/7.0 : Deboichet SL4 34/36

All the best

I just ordered exactly these boards! I am hoping the iSonic 87 and 117W will be there somewhere next week. De 107 will probably take a little longer...

@Remi, thanks for you're help!

Marko CRO169
30th August 2010, 07:13 PM
I just ordered exactly these boards! I am hoping the iSonic 87 and 117W will be there somewhere next week. De 107 will probably take a little longer...

@Remi, thanks for you're help!

Remi, I might have missed some posts where this was already confirmed, but when will the 2011 boards be available with Starboard distributors in Europe? From the Meindert's post about his order, one should conclude that the boards are already available for sale ...:confused:

Regards,
Marko

Remi
31st August 2010, 12:05 AM
Hi Marko,

Should be on the market very soon, please contact your distributor to know exactly when.

All the best

mark h
31st August 2010, 07:05 AM
There already in the UK, I hopefully get mine next week:)

Meindert
12th October 2010, 12:18 AM
Had my first two sessions on the 117 Wide:

- iSonic 117Wide with tectonics talon 42 and vapor 7.6 in20-24 kts

For me a high wind session but the 107 is not here yet so I had no other choice. The 117W looks small and that is exactly how it feels when sailing it! I do not have the feeling I am sailing a 80cm wide board. It planes real easy and acceleration is great! Even in these conditions, I was pretty overpowered from time to time, it was quite easy to control. When the board starts to fly you just release some fin pressure and it drops again. I did think the nose would dive in a wave once or twice but it never did.

- iSonic 117Wide with tectonics tomcat 46 and vapor 8.2 in 12-14kts

Wind dropped from time to time so really low wind. The board is easy to get going,pumping two or three times is enough. Even in these conditions the board runs high on the water without much effort. Once going it keeps going.... Seen the wind the upwind angle was still very good!

I am really happy with the board. I felt comfortable on it immediately. With some more tuning it will only get better :-D