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keyes1
25th September 2010, 02:57 AM
I'm an advancing beginner weighing 185 lbs currently using a 6.5m sailworks retro on a go 144. I'm looking for a bigger sail to get planing on calmer days and I'm debating between an ezzy zephyr and either a neilpryde helium or H2 (7.7m or 8.2m). One restriction in my choice of a bigger sail is that I really want the new sail to fit on my 460 powerex z-race mast (100% carbon imcs 25). The zephyr's definitely have a more appealing price tag, but is it worth an extra $400 (or maybe waiting around more to find a better deal) to get one of the neil pryde sails?? I want something that will give me the biggest range of wind along with my 6.5 retro and also something I won't outgrow when my skills advance. Not too sure about the reputation and performance of these 2 companies. Any recommendations would be much appreciated.

Should I pay the extra for NP or will the zephyr do about the same job?

Thanks in advance!

Roger
25th September 2010, 04:40 AM
Hi Keyes 1,
If you are buying new, why change brands.
What about an 8.0 m2 Sailworks Retro.
You already know how to rig and tune your 6.5 m2 Retro so an 8.0 m2 Retro would be very easy to transition up to.
You would need a 490 cm mast, but if you ever intend to go to bigger sails (and it sounds like you are ready now) you will need the longer mast.
Hope this helps,
Roger

Unregistered
25th September 2010, 09:19 AM
Roger is right on the 490 mast.
If you are looking for a light wind sail, do not restrict your choice by your 460 mast.
You may want to check the mast curve of your powerex to see if it is compatible with the NP sail you are considering. Most NP sails don't rig well on other brands' masts.
However, $400 more for a NP sail? NP sails are overpriced ! Use the money for another mast.

Remi
25th September 2010, 11:01 AM
Hi Keyes,

You have another choice also with the Severne Glide who win all the magazine test since some years already that you can choose in 7.5 or 8.5

http://www.severnesails.com/2010/sails/glide/index.html

All the best

PG
27th September 2010, 01:32 AM
A safe bet for your Powerex mast would be a Simmer sail. A 2XC 7.8 would be a good fit, As would a VMax 7.9. Both are designed on 460 masts.
Your Powerex mast is likely to be too stiff in the top (i.e. too average in bend curve) to fit a Neil pryde sail well. The Ezzy might be a better fit.

keyes1
27th September 2010, 07:24 AM
Thanks to everyone for the replies...I really appreciate the help. I've had quite a hard time finding bend curve information for my mast which makes the situation even more uncertain for a beginner like myself. Not sure if there's any way to get a definitive answer (maybe contacting the manufacturer or posting a photo somewhere)? The mast was also used and much of the label was unfortunately worn off which makes it tricky to track down more information (plus I'm still not overly familiar with all the good windsurfing resources available out there).

I do tend to agree that the neilpryde sails seem overpriced but I really liked the idea of being able to fit a relatively big, powerful sail on a small mast and maintain a small yet versatile sail quiver. I also don't really forsee myself buying more big sails (8.5m or more) anytime soon. I usually wait for the wind to pick up quite a bit before going out. For the mostpart I've been quite happy with the 6.5 retro, but some days it's just not quite enough and I want something that can still push a little more on the moderately windy days.

I also like the idea of trying something different (brand, cams, etc.) to become more familiar with the options that are out there and how the differences change feel. I'll look into the other models everyone has mentioned.

Any more suggestions or ideas would be great! Anyone think it might help if I posted a photo of my mast?

Thanks again.

Farlo
27th September 2010, 06:05 PM
If your not afraid of cambers, North Sails S-type 7.8 rigs on a 460 mast. Bend curve is more conventional than NP sails. According to test mags it is quite powerful yet easy to handle. Naish Grand Prix 7.8 also rigs on 4.60 but is a bit more race oriented (and probably more sensitive to mast & tuning).

PG
27th September 2010, 07:19 PM
Your Powerex mast has a bend curve of about 12% - 12.5%. I have and have had several Powerex masts, and they tend to be pretty consistent. Pick among Simmer, Gun Sails, Sailloft, Sailworks (Goya?) and you should be safe. North Sails may work as well.

keyes1
28th September 2010, 02:25 AM
If your not afraid of cambers...

Should I be?

arild
28th September 2010, 02:44 PM
Hi there.
I`ve been using (new) camered 8.5 - 8.3 the last 4 years as my big (lightwind) sails.
This year I got myself a 7.5 Ezzy Freeride 4 and it`s really very good!
I sold my cambered 8`s and the 7.5 is now my biggest sail.:D (135 liter board)
If you send a request to Ezzy about your mast you`ll get a very quick reply. :)
By the way, my 7.5 is on a 460!
good luck.
br arild

Farlo
28th September 2010, 03:05 PM
You mention trying something different (brand, cams, etc.) so I guess you should know a few tips. Cam sails are more difficult to rig. Some require enormous downhaul tension. Before buying one just rig it in the shop with your own mast, base, extension, etc. Uphauling should not be a problem as 8 sqm is still reasonable. Main pro's are extended wind range, higher speed and better glide. IMHO this is mostly valid for big sizes, if you are not racing.

BelSkorpio
28th September 2010, 05:28 PM
Hi Keyes1,

I've sailed the NP H2 sails a lot this year in Rhodos. They are very good, very light and very early planing sails.
Very smooth camber rotation, you hardly notice they are there.
They also need very short masts. With a 460 mast you can go up to sail size 8.2m2 !
This is all exactly what you want, I think.

BUT, they also need masts (like most NP sails) with a lot of flex top. That's where your mast probably does not score well. And yes, there is also the price ... What can I say ...

You can always go to the shop and take your mast with you. Just try it out.

keyes1
29th September 2010, 02:46 AM
Thanks again to everyone for all the help and suggestions.

Sounds like a lot of the choice will depend on the compatibility of my mast flex.

Arlid - Just sent a message to ezzy last night actually. I'm really hoping it'll work since the price of the ezzy sail is fantastic compared to some others I've been looking at! Sounds like the zephyr might be just what I'm looking for if your even your freeride is giving you the power you want with 135L.

What speed do you usually need to get planing with the 7.5 freeride rigged on the 135L board?

PG
29th September 2010, 11:27 AM
According to http://videojibe.com/featured/windsurfing-sail-size-calculator/ which is reasonably accurate you would need about 8 m/s in the gusts (135L + freeride 7.5). With good technique maybe a little less.

The Zephyr is supposedly a powerful lightwind sail, and may plane a little earlier.

arild
29th September 2010, 10:31 PM
key.
I`m 75 kg and pump my 135 ltd up into plan in 6-7 ms. with my Freeride 4 7.5 ! 46 cm fin and light on the foot and I`m off! Very big tuning-range and surpisingly good low end on the sail!
You`ll get a reply today I guess! They`re great that way too, Ezzy Sails. :)

arild

Nico from Venice
13th October 2010, 09:46 PM
Read on magazines that cam sails are more stable and more efficient in "holes of wind"; camless are less stable and can't bear stronger winds, but have lower planing treshold than camsails.
So as we have not to use large sails in strong winds like pro's and racers, imho far better a camless sail.
Now I own a HSM Superfreak 8,0, using it on a FS 460/25 (and also now on a FS 460/30), Yes many people says it isn't a powerful sail, but I havent't noticed a big difference from previous monofilm sail. And therefore it's light ad you can bend it, crush it and place it everywhere in your car as it's made of dacron. Not a bad thing you you want to carry a large sail inside your car (with all that stuff we windsurfers have also), as I've done in my last trip from Venice, Italy to Denmark. And it's so light I can use it also with my Score 112, or in the lowest winds with my small flapper, about 150 lt.
Previous camless Yes Move SL 8,0 (full x-ply) worked well on flapper but very bad on the Score, as it was far heavier; and much more unconvenient to carry in my car. Superfreak save space for me and... save me from my girlfiend hurried with me for leaving her small room in the car...
My (different and simple) opinion, choice is your.
http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/649/64903/105418/DSCN4681part-vi.jpg
(under Bogų bridge (DK), not more than 12 kn I think)