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8th January 2014 06:58 PM
mikerb .........foot note............I was referring to my experiences on the 2009 133 board which I sailed extensively for more than 2 years.
8th January 2014 06:56 PM
mikerb Hi Matt,

I have changed my 2009 133 for a 2013 127....hoping it is just as good. Your observations are interesting. Yes the 52 fin is much too big. I use a 49 select most of the time changing to a 46 Choco with smaller sails. Re early planning.....there is a very specific technique on this board. It has 2 planing flats and you can use the first to get going then raise it up on the fin/rear flat. To do this you have to point a long way down wind and keep the board totally flat rail to rail ( even if the board looks flat to you, chances are you are weighting the windward rail!). Then one or two pumps wil make the board pop...as you say there is then no intermediate gear....so you need to get in the straps quick! The most amazing thing about this board is that it naturally flies upwind as its preferred course but if you push it off the wind the acceleration is amazing. Re gybing, it needs lots of power to do a complete planning exit...and you are right, you need to focus on only turning 90 degrees or you will stall/backwind......the remainder of the gybe is bringing the board back from a very broad reach.
30th December 2013 09:22 AM
Mattsurf An interesting comparisson with Is101 and Is133

Boxing day was sunny, with light winds 10 to 15kts so a good day to try the Is133 in light winds with the 9.6m sail

The Is133 seems to have no "intermediate" planning stage, it is either non planing or full on in the straps planing, with nothing in between, this does give the impression that it is slow onto the plane.... that it is until you notice that no other windsurfers are moving and the kites are really struggling, so maybe it is not too bad. The other interesting feature is the speed - When I got home, I was sailing at over 25kts on every broad run, with a peak spead of almost 27kts - this is using a 9.6 on an 85 cm wide board and 49cm fin in very little wind.

I was really impressed with my new Select Vmax 49cm, this suits the board brilliantly.

Gybing is still difficult to maintain good speed, although I am getting better

Next day, what a contrast, wind was constant 35kts gusting 52kts, flat water in Portland, however, wind was at 90 degrees to the beach. Played around on the Is101 and JP Slalom 3 69L using a maxed out North RAM 5.7 - in these conditions the Is101 was faster as the JP does not like sailing tight

Despite the stonking wind, I was only able to get speeds up to 33 kts, even though there were some pretty good speed sailors out, no one was getting over 35 kts. I think that this really shows how impressive the performance of the 133 with 9.6m was the previous day
24th December 2013 06:48 PM
mark h The Falcon was always very fin sensitive. The main reason for this was the deep mono concave in the tail.
23rd December 2013 04:30 PM
Mattsurf I tend to sail on a big fin on my previous boards, On all of my Isonics, I seem to be using a fin about 2 or 3cm smaller than I am used to - does this indicate that Isonics use their fins more efficiently than other brands?
23rd December 2013 10:59 AM
BelSkorpio Well, personally I can confirm your story about the choco fin on the Fanatics, although my experience is with bigger fin sizes.
I've used a choco 43 both on a Ray and a Falcon, a couple of years ago. Spin out all the time. Especially with the Ray.
The same fin on my Isonic122 and NEVER spin out. It could also be my style of slalom surfing. I like to put a lot of pressure on the fin.
23rd December 2013 08:35 AM
mattsurf My sail last week on the Is101 was one of those days that everything goes right. I love sailing powered up on a 6.3m which is a great start. My gybing is pretty good, but I have been missing that final little bit. Until Sunday, my gybing was almost perfect, in fact I could put the sail wherever I wanted, laying it down so low that the mast tip was in the water, then coming out of the gybe at full speed.
I have been thinking about what the difference is, undoubtedly a lot is due to my new 2013 North WARP: it rotates so well and generates so much power out of the gybe and is so controllable and stable, even when maxed out. The other factor is the board, this is what I think:
I am comparing Gybing the Is101 with the 2008 Fanatic Falcon 105 (The Is101 is actually 97L, so a fair bit smaller than the Falcon). The Is101 is really adjustable in the gybe, changing the arc is natural, unlike the falcon which once turning seems to maintain the same radius (not sure that this makes sense). With the Falcon, timing need to be absolutely perfect, flip the rig a fraction of a second too early or too late and you will compromise the exit speed, on the Isonic, if you get the timing a little wrong you seem to be able to adjust the arc to compensate and have far less impact on the exit speed.
The fin was another differentiating factor. The Is101 was really comfortable on my Choco Fireblade 3 34cm. I cannot sail the Fanatic on this fin as it spins out all the time Is this due to the narrower width of the Isonic (64cm Vs 66cm), or is the Isonic a little more forgiving on the fin than the Fanatic?
Regarding comments about the fin for my Is110, I think that I have a bit of a gap here, My 43cm Select S12 was too big and my Deboichet SL3 40cm was a little small. I think that I need a 41 or 42cm fin with a little bit of a finer profile than the Select, but more powerful than the SL3. I may hold onto the SL3 for downwind slalom and speed.
20th December 2013 10:57 AM
BelSkorpio Yes, I've never put a lot of effort in trying different fins on my IS122. I should have.

6.7 is also my preferred sail on the IS101(97). I sometimes use a 7.8 on it when the water state gets too rough for my IS122, but the 7.8 only works well on the IS101 with a lot of wind. I need so much wind that often the 6.7 also goes. On a speed strip, the IS101 is perfect with the 7.8.
19th December 2013 10:46 PM
kapten k I have the Isonic 127 (2011) 110 (2013) 97(2011) All in carbon
I like them all, the 110 and 127 feels quite similar. And the 97 feels more like a classic slalom board. Since i just got the 110 i have only sailed it once. but it felt superfast with 7.9
I live in south of sweden where there is is alot of weed so i almost always need a weed fin. which is a disaster for big board and sails, since you get very little lift with a weed fin. So sailing underpowerd is not fun, because it makes the board stick to the water.

Since i had a crossover with 7.9 from 127 to 97 i got the 110. The 97 is not good with 7.9 and weed fin, But its really amazing with 6.7. the board is super-controllable in chop and easy to jibe. Im selling the 97 and getting a Is90 2014 to have less overlap from the 110.
The 127 is really fast for being such a wide board. It has done 30knots for me on open water with a 9.5 and felt like i wanted a lot more, but i dont have the weight or strength to do it. (83kg) Its easy to get on the fin by moving the mastfoot back 2cm from the mid point. Further back and i start to loose control.

The key to make them go is the fin and the trim.. as all other boards i guess.
19th December 2013 08:01 PM
BelSkorpio Good review Matt.

Yes, about the IS101 (mine is also from 2009) I have the same feeling. Damn good.
The best board I've ever been on. And I compare with other boards like the Falcon and the JP slalom.
I always feel the fastest on the water with it. I have the same feeling about my IS87.

I can't say the same about my IS122 (2008). It feels stickier on the water. Perhaps I'm not using the correct fins with it.
I use a choco 43 with the 7.8 and a 46 with my 8.8 sail. Anyway, much better than the red drake fins that came along with it.
When I put my mast foot far to the back to get more lift, it helps.
My expectations of the IS110 as a replacement are therefore very high.
I have the impression that you use the IS110 with rather small fins, which could indeed explain the issues with pointing.
It's a pity that you can't compare the IS110 with the older IS122.

Matt, may I ask how much you wheigh ?
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