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10th February 2007 09:44 PM
geo
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

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jamieedodger wrote:
...Do you order new boards without seeing them? Personally I just wouldn't do it, I would have to read a spec sheet on them or something to give me more information on the board...
I do agree with you. In fact, when saying "without seeing them" I was referring to the boards; not to the specs, of course.

It seems to me that our ideas are much closer than expected. After all, I have no time to check for new boards before purchasing and given the fact that shops don't use to stock everything, I happened to buy my last 4 boards from a catalogue (or designer's advice, for my older RRDs). And, of course, I made extensive use of this forum when choosing the last Starboards.
That said, actually I do not rely on specs, since I learned how far from that a board could be. Rather I rely on suggested range of use. I bought the Sonic 95 because it was suggested to be a great slalom board to be used from slightly bigger than my 7.6 down to way smaller than my 6.6. I bought the Evo 83 because it was suggested to be a great wave board from slightly bigger than my 5.8 down to way smaller than my 5.0. Some variations in real volume vs. spec would have made no difference. Get the board and get used to it, since by sure it was designed to work. But I probably am an advanced windsurfer. The same would not apply to some other that needs to rely on uphauling, or schlogging in no wind.
And, after all, again, a tech spec is just that.
10th February 2007 08:31 PM
jamieedodger
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

geo,

Ok yes, I think you are right there, "...technical specs are just that, useful (for one) or not." They are very useful. Do you order new boards without seeing them? Personally I just wouldn't do it, I would have to read a spec sheet on them or something to give me more information on the board. Over here in England there are many ways to hire a board to "try it out", the places that stock and distrobute the boards often do open days where anyone can come along and for a price (??20/30euros) test the new board to see whether it is right before they buy one. http://www.boardwise.co.uk/ubdetail....carve&ysID=324 Take a look at that, this is one of many places in England that do that, and on it is a Starboard Carve 133. Anyway, that was off the topic. So you know my oppinion, of the whole board volume issue... It does not matter to me, the exact size of the board aslong as it is a close/rough estimate. However you are older than me and threfore wiser, as you may of been windsurfing for some time... Then you will have learnt from your mistakes, and that is the same for me, I will have to learn that buying the board with the volume I think it has, may be the wrong choice, but to me at the moment it does not matter. Anyway enjoy windsurfing geo, and everyone else.
10th February 2007 01:07 PM
geo
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Jamieedodger,

You wrote: "... If you want to know the exact volume of your board go and try and measure it up yourself", that is why I suggested one would rather prefer to read it from the spec chart.
As for me, last time I ordered new boards I was not able to see them before deciding, let alone hiring one! More, discussing boards obsolescence in this forum, Ian Fox was suggesting that, in order to use a new board for the whole of its (commercial) life, one could order the new (Star)board immediately after the usual 15 August release and get it in Autumn, of course no chance of even seeing it and catalogue specs the only way to get to know anything on it... More again, I guess not everybody is able (or wants!) to "... simply get used to it and learn from my mistake".
But after all the main point is that technical specs are just that, useful (for one) or not.
10th February 2007 07:08 AM
jamieedodger
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Hmm "geo", I was saying I would rather not measure my board up thank you, and i dont particularly care. Fanatic NewWave 75 05, I think that you should take it up with them if it helps you sleep at night. Excuse me is that 2005 I see thats what? 3 Years old, sure(nothing wrong with old boards, I have 2). Have they not changed it now? My guidance on board volume, is.. I use it as a guide to see which board to buy, if the board volume feels uncomfortable for me, then I simply get used to it and learn from my mistake... of not hireing one to find out how it responds and how I feel with a board, the actuall volume is only a guidence of which one to buy... FOR ME... argue what you want, however this is the way I use the board volumes.
9th February 2007 02:38 PM
geo
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Jamieedodger,

should one need to know the exact volume of his board, I am totally sure that he would prefer to get it from the board spec chart rather than to measure it by himself; don't you agree?
And yes, small variations are no problem, but what about say the Fanatic NewWave 73 '05 which actually is 66lts.?

Guest,

Starboard states the iS101 at 101 lts.; that +-5% thing refers to weight, not volume. This is because weight may vary from single board to another being affected by manual manufacturing process, while volume can be determined with enough precision by CAD or using a tank.
9th February 2007 02:42 AM
Guest
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Let's look at the iS101 as an example. *board state 101ltrs +-5%.

101 - 5% +95.95 ltrs. So the ISAF measured spec is within tolerance.

But who really worries that much. When you are in the market for this type of board you know what you're after. For beginners there is so much float that a couple of litres either way is not really an issue.
9th February 2007 01:36 AM
jamieedodger
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Come on dudes, who needs to know the EXACT volume of the board??!! Yea like "geo" said small variations dont matter, and big ones do... if it were that big and out of line then starboard would change it, who cares??!!! well not me If you wan tto know the exact volume of your board go and try and measure it up yourself, go on I bet you cant. I say just go with Starboard's volumes and if its a liter out :O OH NO :P. Yea thats just my opinion, carry on...
8th February 2007 11:45 PM
geo
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

GEM,

board makers could name their products with whatever name they like, i. e.: iSonic 101; and then state its volume correctly, i. e.: 96 lts.. Then I doubt that any one would bother.
Of course, small variations however meaningless would not be a problem; bigger variations are.
As for making up my mind, I am assuming that datas from ISAF are correct.
8th February 2007 07:54 PM
GEM
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Well, uh,...excuse me but whom among you have actually measured the volume of your board(s)? If you haven't ever done that, then you don't have the objective data to mount the opinions put forth here.

I think Starboard has said in various places that the board numbers are changed from year to year to distinguish models and/or minor tweaks in shape. While I don't recall explicit statements that the board number doesn't match the stated volume (e.g., the Kombats have had a propensity to have the last digit be the year of manufacture), it is implied.

There is some merit to the notion that if a spec is given it should be the spec, that makes sense in the same way that it is logical to make sure that a clock is telling the correct time. However, in most applications people don't really need the exact time down to the second, though in many applications that is necessary. So it is with sailboards.

If you really need to know the volume of your board, i.e., the floatation, then you ought to have your own tank for testing it frequently...lest all your board dings let in too much water.

8th February 2007 04:43 PM
Guest
RE: Why Board Maker lie about actual volume ?

Techincal specifications.
They should be accurate FULL STOP.

If they are not accurate then in many countries the goods are being miss sold, as many countries have laws about such things.

It is shameful that you cant beleive the specs.

This is catagorically not just a starboard failing though it is commonplace throughout the industry, mast weights and bends, sail areas, board volumes etc.

There really is no case that holds water for describing something as somthing it is not. Stevec it simply is an untruth, a lie, and is not acceptable.
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