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12th January 2008 06:13 AM
Rocket The latest issue of Windsurf has test reports which to me seem to be prepared to say things other than nice things. I think that is a good sign. I understand that all design is a compromise in boards - if you make it good in a straight line, it generally loses something round corners. You cant have everything.
I think they mixed up the 'Conditions Bias' chart on the two Starboard boards (they need to employ a proof reader?). Again, the conditions and attributes vary with what the boards are aimed at, so the freeride test setup probably was not ideal for comparing the Kombat which would probably score better in a wave (or freestyle?) environment.
This seems perhaps a similar situation to the Boards one which this thread is about, in that the Kombat did not get a glowing report?
9th January 2008 12:20 AM
Ken Roger Jackson (the gruff looking fellow in the photo above) does demo days all over the US. He is in Texas every year with a truck loaded with boards and sails for anyone to demo.

When he is not talking boards, he is giving free sailing lessons. I guess we are just lucky to have Roger come through ever year. Great promo for Starboard. Keep it up.
8th January 2008 10:00 AM
Unregistered wow, shred, don't bogart that, pass it to the left!

But Starboard DOES participate in some demos in Canada, at a venue complete with young zealots at minumum wage (though I think they had different sponsors).

At the Nininat WindFest two years ago there was Starboards a-plenty, and another manufacturer too (RRD maybe?-I forget) and young Wyatt Miller and Rob Warwick came with an inability to sail forwards holding the boom in both hands, a van full of North sails and other goodies, and a plea to buy their DVDs so they would have gas money to get back to Hood River!

Not sure what happened last summer, I was away. I know other years Starboard has had demo days, which I greatly appreciate!
7th January 2008 11:49 AM
sailquik Whatever that guy is on.... I want some! :-)

Good ideas in there though............
5th January 2008 01:34 PM
testing and buying

...i remember that american windsurfer mag ( now defunct) stopped board testing for many reasons also some of the reasons listed here.
but some of us need these tests, heres why.
One comment here rings so true, going to tenerife and testing gear to buy, and then finding one has blown all the cash on said trip ( including bars booze and broads too) trip that otherwise would have been spent on a board is not a good way to pick gear .
( had lots of fun though)
Well, think , maybe this scenario is not such a bad thing when the 8'3" wave god board you bought sailing in tenerife like conditons
Turns you "mr cool into fool" as you sink on it in 8 knots back home in that blistering 8 knot zephr that regularly happen.

Ive sailed many venues , maui 6 times, dom rep tiwce,costa rica the gorge and the gear there aint going to work back home ( and home gear wont work at these place either , i found out when i took home gear to the gorge, a week long "body slamfest/ advil feast" ensued) the tacos/ cascade brewery malt took my bowels for a ride but i digress .

but i have always wondered what would it take to get a manufacturer to show their products off at a demo day(s) at a popular venue so people can sail and buy
Better yet a do it for a week at a time .I would have to drive for ten hours from where i am to get to a good sized shop for a demo weekend.
i say that as it just doesnt happen over here in canada , (does it elsehwere ??)

but if a shop sells a manufacters kit they should be obliged to demo gear on a regular basis.,
Give them incentives. Give the shop a better wholesale price on the demo stuff to make efforts worth their while.
Hey better yet, set up a starboard demo team for a few countries . "stopping in at a shop near you". It would not have to be Antoine Albeau or Kevin Pritchard.
There plenty of a wet behind the ears but keen eager youth to do the job , (i believe in youth they can do it, in fact when your young a stupid you can do anything i am old and stupid and still think i can ) no really young eager kids are capable.

I CAN SEE IT NOW, a team of hand picked eager, young guns on minimum wage, maximum stoke ,high G trip.
travelling over hill and dale , on a windsurf pilgrimage, spreading the stoke, to convert the heathen masses

( oh ohh is this the start of windsurfing fundamentalism? ,ah but i digress)

fueled by nothing except cases of red bull and chicken flavoured potatoe chips to a sailing venue near you, to ply these wares, and show how damn good this kit is!!!

It is that good,

isnt it manufacters?

then POP goes my baloon.

Obviously ......i am a dreamer,...and cash is king.

any marketing peon for a major manufacterer worth half his weight in salt ah er, ( windsurf reference) bottom turns , is going to make the big wigs damn as "the goods' can easily and more cheaply be pimped by glossy pamplets, websites , or in a rag with equipment reviews, ahh er make that rave equipment reviews!! ...

anything else doesnt wash ,
so again, maybe for these reasons the status quo will not change and unless starbord or any of the major brands shows up at my door with lots of kit on
1. a windy day
2. a day I have off work.
3. a day my wife lets me out of the house.

logical conclusion??

" jeff you need reviews ,"my mental spock speaks.

hmm yes, better yet i will keep sailing that old plastic tiga 268 slr and save my money for those maui trips.

spock, " a smart fiscal move captain"

me "but spock, not as fun"

"shred ", spock speaks " the vulcan temple of logic was not rebuilt from its lowly origins of a lava tube into a marble palace , to increase enlightenment of the logical mind, the addition of marble would do nothing of the sort and therefore be illogical"

he continued, " much like your rotomoulded tiga , being built copied and rebuilt soley of carbon fibre with a gold leaf covering , marble being too dense, would make feeling the free wind in your face or cool waters lapping at you heels which you have mentioned is the core of you shredding experience really any better in the end"

" yes spock true, but that board would get me the chicks in maui"

spock, "you cant go to maui they closed down the vacation rentals'

"damn them spock damn them, and pass me the rag with the reviews"

loose bowels be damned cabarete here i come

4th January 2008 11:27 PM
Chris Just popped across and read the boards thread.

I regularly read both Boards and Windsurf Mags and enjoy the board reviews within both. Boards reviews do make one think and theri panel includes guest testers as well. Windsurf on the other hand rarely makes any real negative points.

Surprised to see an advertising boycott by Tushingham and Starboard.

Tushingham is the UK importer for Starboard so perhaps it is only Tushingham….

Whatever, on the face of it, in my eyes, this apparent attitude of non-dialogue and withdrawal of advertising revenue as a result of a test report will be bad for windsurfing in general and for Tuhingham and Starboard in particular. Shame…

Incidentally I have within my ‘stuff’ 2 Starboard boards (carves) and 3 Tushingham sails (Lightning & 2 T3’s) amongst others….

Kind Regards
3rd January 2008 02:21 AM
Philip Starboard would be the major brand that talks direct with its customers via the web discussion forum and where 'unregistered' commentators can say their piece. From where I sit their business model is clearly different for example to Boards & More or the NP group. Having used product from all three I am simply pleased about the way they have all brought WS along over the years. With regard to Boards mag I think it a good read, but as previously mentioned the prices here in Aussie land are a bit steep (and that goes for all WS mags).
2nd January 2008 04:02 PM
Unregistered Pathetic attitiude by Starboard. Well done Boards for standing up to them. Obviously, Starboard's transition from a design/innovation led company to a marketing driven, Mistral clone is complete.
31st December 2007 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by carvesalot View Post
Very well put.

As a Rocket, have you looked at the SOS or Tabou Rockets ?
No. A friend has sailed a Rocket and it did not sound like my type of board. I might reject many boards which would be perfect for other people, because I know what I want from a board.
30th December 2007 03:52 PM
Phill104 I think both organisations are very professional and will sort out any differences.

I've only heard part of one side of the story so it would be unfair for me or anyone else to judge based on that.
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