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11th April 2008 02:34 AM
Jean-Marc I don't agree that banning kitesurfing will solve all spot-sharing problems. On one hand, we do have beaches that are forbidden for kiters because of trees, nearby roads with lots of traffic, etc...Just use some common sense if kiters want to launch from a beach.
On the other hand, I have lots of friends who do kitesurf and have never experienced a problem with them. The reason is very simple on our lakes : kitesurf have zero priority rules over other sailing crafts, windsurfer included. This means they do have to pay attention and be extra cautious about any other users at the beach if they want their sport to survive. In practice, however, each rider is paying attention to the other and I tend to let them use as much needed space as they want. The only exception is in waves where you need to voice yourself quite louder if you want to catch at least a wave when it's overcrowded...

Just a couple of comments as well about kitesurfing or windsurfing on lakes :

1) you can go kiting in about 7 knots of wind providing you'll have a fairly big sail (20+ m2) and a kiteboard that is longer than usual. Reason is you need to build quite some speed to go forward at a reasonable pace and not just going stop and go with a short kiteboard.

2) 7 knots is the lowest planing limit with a Formula kit.

3) below 7 knots of wind, longboard windsurfing can be exciting and challenging providing you have the right high-performance gear to excell in those conditions (long and slender hull coupled with big 11 m2 sail).
Kitesurfing is a no go, however, mainly because it's extremely difficult to get the giant sail out of the water in say 5 knots wind. You'll need a helping boat to unstick and fly the sail again. And you'll drift anyway with the wind. A big kiteboard with positive floatation is of no help in that case.

Because I want to maximize my TOW from 1 to 40+ knots, windsurfing is plenty enough and up to that job so far.

Cheers !

JM
7th April 2008 09:48 AM
Egor My biggest concern is windsurfers getting lumped with kite surfers when they consider banning kite surfing at local beaches because of the dangers to the public from idiot newbie kite surfers.
6th April 2008 11:52 PM
pierrec45 > footprint and all

I tend to agree that it attracts a "I'm cool" crowd that doesn't seem to care much about footprint, the space it occupies (steals) on the beach, and so on. The bulky equipment and lines are left on the beach forever as kiters trade war stories and exploits. Here inland where take-off spots are small, their take-off monopolises the area for 10 minutes every time, more for beginners that keep tangling lines in the bushes. Many kiters do not come from windsurfing (at least around them's parts) and are not used at respect and potential dangers on water.

Having said that, let's not generalise either. I more or less purposedly trip over the lines and don't give way too much to them on the water more than I should, and frankly, no problem so far. Plus some of us windsurfers aren't much better and leave equipment lying in the way too, and sometimes occupy the launching ramp too long.

The death story is not the reason I don't kite. It simply doesn't attract me, windsurfing gives me a buzz still, and I still have a long list of moves and tricks I can't do or don't master yet.
6th April 2008 11:14 PM
davide
Why I do not kite

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
It's very sad that someone should die doing a sport they love.

I took up kiting 6 years ago, and had the near death experience and gave it up and returned to windsurfing. I realised that a simple mistake could end your life, and the enjoyment of kiting was no greater than windsurfing. While windsurfing can also be dangerous, it is nothing compared to kiting, I nearly killed myself walking the kite along the beach when a gust picked me up and launched me nearly breaking my neck. That was it for me.
The main reason I do not Kite is actually because I found that its "footprint" is simply unacceptable. A Kite takes as much space as a 30 feet sailboat and makes a beach unapproachable by anybody else.

Having said that, it is amazing how many people die or are severely injured or injure others while kiting every single year (last year I counted 3 deaths in the CA). Putting death to the side the number of accidents and "close-calls" is staggering compared to windsurf. It is a sport that cultivates an "extreme-cool" look and an attitude of arrogant "dominance-over-the-elements" that sadly translates in a quite staggering blood toll.
6th April 2008 08:09 PM
crazychemical on many big spots kite and windsurfers are separated. In Leucate France there is a special kite area, on the entire Dutch shore there are specified kite and windsurf areas (not that there aren't any mixed ones). But the smaller spots can idd be dangerous and kitelines can be very annoying; i once had to drop everything in full plance because a kiter crashed his kite and i couldn't jibe away anymore. out of respect for the blokes gear i basicly endangered mine.
6th April 2008 04:06 PM
gbr56
kitesurfers - windsurfers should be seperated

I heard that a kitesurfer allowed his kit to swing down onto a windsurfer at a local beach to me here in the UK, which resulted in the lines acting as cheesewire and slicing off the windsurfers ear and side of their face. this isnt nice. And is totally irresponsible for Kitesurfers who enter the water who are not completely competent. maybe a license should be incurred before they are allowed to take part. Plus i bet hardly any of them have insurance?

i also know of a guy who got picked up in a freak gust and the kite launched him into a sea wall, resulting in him being knocked out and swallowing his tongue. He nearly died and needed CPR. He is fine now, but very nearly wasn't with us.

Kitesurfers should have their own areas at beaches if they wish to participate... just so that they are not endangering other water users which could be fatal. I have respect that they have a love for the ocean, however Im sure most windsurfers would agree with this idea, and most responsible Kitesurfers could see the dangers involved with mixing up water users and should agree too...?
5th April 2008 03:10 PM
Unregistered
fly like a kite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn4ZLk2Iolo&NR=1
20th March 2008 01:34 PM
Unregistered A guy in his thirties died Kiting at Caloundra Queensland Australia.

First reports he was windsurfing. Found dead in the water.

I think he was a father.
19th March 2008 06:31 AM
Unregistered
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Man dies after kite surfing accident off Kauai

A 50-year-old Kalaheo man was pronounced dead at Wilcox Hospital Saturday night after nearly drowning at Gillins Beach, just east of Punahoa Pt. near Mahaulepu Beach in Po'ipu, Kaua'i.

According to a preliminary report, Irving Corbett had been kite surfing at the south shore spot , said Kaua'i County spokeswoman Mary Daubert.

Someone called police dispatch at 4:01 p.m. Saturday to report that Corbett was lying on the beach unresponsive, but breathing.

Rescue specialists from the Lihu'e fire station who were in Po'ipu on another rescue call left that scene and responded to Gillins Beach. When they arrived, the rescue specialists took over performing CPR from bystanders.

Then medics took over and continued with CPR while en route to Wilcox Hospital.

Corbett was pronounced dead at the hospital.
It's very sad that someone should die doing a sport they love.

I took up kiting 6 years ago, and had the near death experience and gave it up and returned to windsurfing. I realised that a simple mistake could end your life, and the enjoyment of kiting was no greater than windsurfing. While windsurfing can also be dangerous, it is nothing compared to kiting, I nearly killed myself walking the kite along the beach when a gust picked me up and launched me nearly breaking my neck. That was it for me.
17th March 2008 12:29 PM
Windsurfer1
Why I don't Kitesurf

Man dies after kite surfing accident off Kauai

A 50-year-old Kalaheo man was pronounced dead at Wilcox Hospital Saturday night after nearly drowning at Gillins Beach, just east of Punahoa Pt. near Mahaulepu Beach in Po'ipu, Kaua'i.

According to a preliminary report, Irving Corbett had been kite surfing at the south shore spot , said Kaua'i County spokeswoman Mary Daubert.

Someone called police dispatch at 4:01 p.m. Saturday to report that Corbett was lying on the beach unresponsive, but breathing.

Rescue specialists from the Lihu'e fire station who were in Po'ipu on another rescue call left that scene and responded to Gillins Beach. When they arrived, the rescue specialists took over performing CPR from bystanders.

Then medics took over and continued with CPR while en route to Wilcox Hospital.

Corbett was pronounced dead at the hospital.

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