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2nd May 2008 09:26 AM
Unregistered I like the red code paint job as to me it is attractive.
Is it a cheap way to attract attention? Yes it is. How else do you make a sail in pure film visible without spending big dollars on pure visuals. Does it hide a lack of performance? - no way. It does address the often talked about factor of sail visibility on the water - the so called death of windsurfing imagery due to clear monofilm. The red sails catch the eye of anyone looking that way very well - job done don't you think? The north white sails do the same thing up close.

The paint may come off in 2 years or so but everyone who buys race sails keeps saying they constantly update their sails anyway, so what does it matter!

The performance is generally spot on in most brands race sails. Some try to catch attention through graphics and some don't bother, but for me good looking visible sails are a benefit for the sport, not just a sales gimmick.
30th April 2008 05:02 PM
geo
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i have code red 2 sail and it is perfect-
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anyhow,geo, ...
1) Glad to see someone likes painted film; tastes are tastes, I expressed mine earlier.
2) What rubbish? I blame NP because their warranty on race mast is 6 mo. (and for this reason I wouldn't buy any even if they were the undisputed best performers); is this true or not? I said I don't like coloured film as it looks (to me) a cheap way to offer something "special" other than performance: can you say Severnes perform on a par with the best? And, did I say anything about North sails?

No I am definitely no team rider. Should I?
30th April 2008 02:40 PM
Unregistered i have code red 2 sail and it is perfect-easy to rig, well built, very easy and stable on the water ,exellent and soft rotation in the gybes.
i dont' care if it is translucent or red painted if it performs well. but if i was to choose between ordinary looking sail and a red painted one , if they both had same performance, i would take the second one.

anyhow,geo, have you sailed severne's,north's or pryde's current slalom sails to be spilling such rubbish around? or you just don't have anyone to talk to on the beach or outside cyberspace?
or maybe you always wanted to be part of some team and the anly way for you could do it is to buy spanier's sails and make yourself beleive you are now "team rider"?
30th April 2008 03:50 AM
geo JM,
???
As far as I know, black coloured objects will have better radiating thermal exchange properties, and this will make them get cool or hot faster depending to the temperature of the other radiating objects (in the case of a sail in Sunlight: the Sun surface is about5,800 K or 5,500 C) and relative angle of view; but it makes no difference as to conduction and convection. My air cooled bike's engine is not black, just light metal.
Don't think this makes any difference as to speed.
29th April 2008 11:46 PM
Jean-Marc
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Black will also absorb more light energy. In the end it will be hotter.
Hotter on the beach, yes. Colder while sailing. Black is a better thermal conductor in air (e.g., black-painted air-cooling engines of motorcycles).

Whether a colder sail is faster while sailing, that is the question...

Cheers !

JM
29th April 2008 11:10 PM
geo
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Whats is the credibility of the black-colored AC7 or the white-colored North Warp sails ? You must be joking my dear...
Agree. But at least North Sails have unquestioned performance. One may not like the feel, but performance is there.
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Except from a slight difference in thermal dissipation kinetics between black (quicker) and white (slower; see black body physical principle), color doesn't matter to perform better in a sail.
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Black will also absorb more light energy. In the end it will be hotter.
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...well, on a second thought, color may matter security wise.
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Cheers !

JM
Well maybe... but I don't think CodeReds' colours are optimized for this purpose. Anyhow this can be a good reason, althought not mine.
29th April 2008 10:50 PM
Jean-Marc ...well, on a second thought, color may matter security wise. If sailing in rain, mist or fog, at least in my opinion after 1 year of use, the Code Red is more visible far away than transluscent, black or white sails and may help you to avoid collision with your buddies or other sailing crafts as well. Another point is whether you better like to be in safe or in stealth mode and how to deal with the unexpected odds on some instances (e.g., search & rescue in bad weather). Your call...

Cheers !

JM
29th April 2008 10:18 PM
Jean-Marc
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Originally Posted by geo View Post
Neil Pryde looses any credibility by giving a 6 months warranty on race masts. Meaning NP can't solve their technical issues
Agree. That's one of the reasons I went away after nearly 2 decades of enjoyment.

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Severne looses any credibility by spray-painting their sails and tries to appeal buyers with means other than performances.
Whats is the credibility of the black-colored AC7 or the white-colored North Warp sails ? You must be joking my dear...

Except from a slight difference in thermal dissipation kinetics between black (quicker) and white (slower; see black body physical principle), color doesn't matter to perform better in a sail.

As for surface spray-painting per se, it may matter for a fin but I strongly doubt it for a sail where air is 1000x less dense than water.

Finally, on a personal note, the difference for a lightweight between a NP RS6 10.7 and a CodeRed2 11.0 sail is pretty much obvious : just ask the lactic acid content of my sore muscles at the end of the day. Nothing to do with the color, believe me...

Cheers !

JM
29th April 2008 09:10 PM
geo Frankly: I wish I could, any of the two.

The meaning of my comment about the CodeRed is: I am 100% convinced that CodeReds (like any such sails) can be sailed to perfectly competitive levels; but how easily this can be done by an average sailor with average time for his sailing, is a different matter.

As for Maui Sails (that others brought in here, not me), well, I am pretty much confident they can be a great choice.
29th April 2008 10:49 AM
Unregistered Having read Geo's wonderful reports about the Tr-4, i can only guess he is a shareholder in Maui sails or hopes to replace KP

Now ok, some people dont like the spray painting on the film of the Code Red, but his comment that the code red won't perform, has to make you laugh.
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