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24th October 2009 07:57 PM
whizkid I also have a problem with the screws on my RIO S. Purchased it new in Jan. 2008. Since then, 2 of the screws with the black plastic anti-twist inserts have pulled out of the board. One pulled out as I was picking up the board to walk into the water. For this reason, I am rather disappointed with the quality. I should also add that I'm a beginner, and for this reason have not really used my footstraps that much.

If these longer 32mm screws semm to solve this problem, please let me know where I can get them.
20th December 2008 11:54 PM
Unregistered
(thermosensetyvity) whith inserts

Friction between screw and insert causes a lot of heatbuild up in the inserts. When hot it is a lot easier to strip the thread out of the holes.
I had the same problem(thermosensetyvity) whith inserts on my Starboard isonic 2008 , use for the first time sex lubriandcants(no joks) it is much beter then soap ,realy works.
20th December 2008 04:35 PM
Floyd
Here we go again.

How many times has this happened now !

IMO

a) It shouldn`t happen in first place.(Especially on new board).(Is screw bottoming out or is it too short ? either could cause screw to strip thread)

b) When it does happen, any sort of filling/adhesive is just not going to be as strong as original which broke in first pace anyway.Adhering to plastic is difficult at best and impossible on occasions.Preventing adhesion to screw itself can also prevent bonding to insert and if not done removing screw will then make problem worse.

c) If you are going to attempt a repair the only structurally sound way is to simply fit an over sized (diameter) screw.(Preferably deep threaded + single threaded) And this will only work if there is sufficient material left in insert to accept an oversized screw.(In UK deep threaded stainless cross head screws are available through IFS, a nut + bolt supplier)

Putting a longer screw in could make matters worse if it bottoms out ! Check depth of insert with a match or something. Make sure screw you use is just getting o this depth after compressing strap etc.

DONT DO THIS NEXT ONE ON YOUR BOARD
Its not impossible to replace entire insert.But its a pain and involves drilling out with an 18.2 mm core drill and re-bonding a new insert. (Available through GUN) Not recommending this route but I have done it on old boards to move footstrap placing or replace completey ruined insert. (I`ve got a 5 year old F2 Style which gas had an insert of this type in since a year old and has been heavily used with no signs of insert moving or stripping.!) (But I did not use suppied screw with inserts.Best screws available are off older F2 boards !!!, really deap threads to cut deeper into plastic.)
19th December 2008 09:13 PM
Unregistered i ALWAYS use a power driver to install footstraps and i can see no reason not to.
Just turn the torque clutch down, go slowly and its fine.
Always use a bit of lubricant on the screw as well.
8th August 2008 04:03 PM
Klint The footstrap inserts stripped on all four straps on my brand new iS 101 '07. And I do take care, installing them by the book. I have'nt had this problem on my other 4 Starboard's.

Exercised the warranty since the board was virtually unsailable and got a replacement board. The inserts on the replacement board seem to hold together, but I still managed to strip one of the inserts. Not while installing the straps the first time, at that point it's usually all fine. But when rethightening after the first or second session on the water some of the screws don't grip anymore, which is the distinctive sign for stripped inserts.

Since I expected this to be a recurring problem I've bought the Permatex Forma-a-Thread stuff which I fixed the faulty insert with last night. The visual result looks very good and it was a quite easy project, hope the fix will hold under load too.
7th August 2008 08:49 PM
Unregistered
footstraps,,,,,,,,screwed

i posted an open question weeks ago,,,,,,,

How many people have had problems with footstrap screws being "faulty" or "stripped"

i know personally of 12 people who have bought Starboards and have had serious problems with footsrtap screws not engaging. Only in my area!!!

NO PERSON EVEN REPLIED TO THE OPEN QUESTION!

Yet here i find many people who have the same problem?

In my opinion the problem is not the length of the screws.

It is the poor quality of the plastic screw housings. Teflon screw housings are a little more expensive. Yet will never strip or fail.

I guess SB need the profit margin that cheap plastic housings offer the bottom line.

Yet a board without reliable footstraps is nothing!

yours sincerely
"really pissed off"

P.S i have paid cash for 3 !!!!!!!!!!! 162's and have only found 1 to be satisfactory!!!!
2nd August 2008 07:07 AM
Roger Hi prpa,
I think that's the real source of the problem here.
The addition of the K-9 lock and the "fatter" points on the K-9 lock
are using up alot of the length of the screw.
If you push real hard, no problems as the screw will drive the points
into the nylon webbing of the footstrap and then compress the entire
assembly (K-9 lock/nylon webbing of the footstrap/Oval toothed washer)
and give you plenty of thread engagement.
If you fail to press down on the screw enough to get it to fully engage and
compress the assembly, the screw will "ream" the upper part of the plastic
insert.
So, my suggestion to "pre compress" the assembly and get those stubby points
up into the nylon webbing of the footstrap.
As I've stated, this won't be a problem in 2009 as the screw length is being increased
from 28 mm to 32 mm.
I've had no problem with the 2008 boards that I have, once I figured out that I need to "push real hard" on the screwdriver to get the threads to engage correctly, or use the "pre-compression" method with a fin screw, a 6 mm x 1.0 nut and a couple of washers.
Hope this helps,
2nd August 2008 02:39 AM
prpa Hi Roger
As I wrote before I think that screws are too short, when you take how
thich are footstraps and K9 inserts and how much is padding (5mm) on the
board deck and material where screw catch material and starts to make trhread
from my experiance it looks to me that SCREW CATCH ONLY 4-5mm into the board!

Is this enought for your R&D to witstand force that it is on this straps.
1st August 2008 03:01 PM
willmo This still does not explain why an insert stripped on my new Isonic111 ( see Ask Our Team thread ).The second screw of the first footstrap simply never tightened at all - it felt as if it was going into a piece of balsa-wood!This implies that the material the insert is made from is not up to the job or is of onconsistent quality.
1st August 2008 01:52 PM
Klint
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Can't seem to find that Permatex-thing where I live. Is there another solution for fixing the stripped hole or do I have to replace the whole insert ? As the hole is to big, I doubt it will do it with longer screws.
If you live in Europe it might be hard to get hold of the Permatex / Loctite Form-A-Thread product. The availability is for some strange reason very poor, if the product is sold at all in your country. You will however be able to get it over Ebay or if you are willing to pay salty freight costs, get it directly from the US.

/ Andy
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