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21st October 2006 10:31 PM
Ola_H
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

I have the K87 in my quiver and its s super nice board and I don't hesitate to call it a real wave board (practically the same rocker as the Acids actually). I?m somthing like 15lbs myself and can comfortable use it with a 6.3 (and probably bigger with some coaxing). I haven't used it with smaller than 4.5, but I gather its possible to use ot with a 4.0 too, so it could be an option. On the other hand I think these kinds of boards sail rather big for their size and epsecially handle big sails and light wind very well. Since you (peterk) is also explicitly willing to sacrifice light wind performance, the K79 seems like the logical choice and I still regard it as big enough (especially dynamically, ie when you are moving).

As for the Starsurfer, I've used both that board and the Aero (07) which is the exact same shape. The Starsurfer is a super nice beginners board but the extra weight compared to the Aero does detract a bit from especially the light wind fun. So, as others pointed out, there will be a bit of a gap in your quiver when youhave no ideal board, since you don't emphasize perfect performance in these conditions I don't see this as a "catastrophic" thing. GEMs argument (regarding K87) is valid to to and will give you less of a gap at the expense of comfort in the high wind range. I don't think the time on water and early planing with a 5.7 will differ much at your weight when comparing K79 and 87 though. The better technique you have, the less the difference will be. The 87 will mainly give you more options if you want to use the board with even bigger sails.

Cheers,
21st October 2006 11:05 AM
GEM
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

In not dissimilar conditions but on fresh water, I must say I was encouraged by Jim Karabasz of Extreme Windsurfing to go with a Kombat rather than an Evo and I am VERY happy with the Kombat (I suspect I'd also be happy with an Evo). The Kombat is a very nice all around; I'm just a neophyte in maximizing waves, but the Kombat is very easy, very turny, and an OK jumper.

I always seem to pick one size larger than Ola. I would recommend the K8x size; you'll be challenged to say the least in pure 4.0 conditions, maybe even blown off the water. But given that 1) your next step up is to 145, and 2) 5.7 wind is MUCH more likely than 4.0 wind, I think you'll ride an 87L board a heck of a lot more often than you'll get to ride a 79L board. How much does it work out to be in "dollars per ride"?
21st October 2006 07:04 AM
steveC
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

PG reiterates an interesting argument thinking about a flatter rockerline in boards like the Kombat and the Exocet Exo Wave, as Ola H. so aptly pointed out much earlier in his comments above. I suggested consideration of the PA line earlier, because I'm one of those folks that use and prefer a straighter and faster tail rocker. After being a surfer for over 23 years before discovering windsurfing, I can easily make a flatter rocker work for me, except in the most radical off the lip maneuvers where all that extra wavey rocker stands out. In reality, a reasonably loose rocker that has some speed and projection better suits my goals.

I remember in my first trip to Maui in 1991, I rented a custom Naish waveboard that was so rockered that it wasn't very much fun out and about. I couldn't return it quick enough and get something else. The epoxy 8'6" Copello Redline board a exchanged it for was much more satisfying.

No doubt, the choices really say much about your real focus and what's fun in your mind. No hard criticisms either way.

21st October 2006 02:01 AM
PG
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

Peterk,
People tend to recommend pure waveboards because those are hip. But from a pragmatic point of view you should really pick the Kombat 79. It offes you the maximum versatility. It is better than a waveboard for bump and jump, and it has the speed and upwind capability to punch out in onshore conditions.
You should pick the Evo only in case you plan to major on frontside wavesailing (which is quite demanding in onshore conditions...).
Some manufacturers, like Exocet, actually sell boards that look very much like the Kombat as "pure wave" (their Exo Wave). It just illustrates that a waveboard does not need to be shaped like a banana :-)
20th October 2006 02:36 PM
Alan
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

I use an evo 70 for bump and jump in the short period wind swell we get on the north coast of Tasmania and I think it works best with the absolute max sail area you can hold down on the day. Sure some of the jumps are a bit random but its loads of fun. The big upside is this boards ability to make random landings easy.

Gybing in these sorts of confused conditions is also loads of fun, the board carries so much speed through the turn and for a 70 l board there is so much deck space, room enough for some John Travolta styling, purposeful or otherwise.

Sure a 52cm wide trad would give a smoother ride but where is the fun in that.
19th October 2006 04:29 PM
SIN909
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

Hey PeterK,

A couple of months ago I bought an 04 evo92. I wanted a board for wavesailing in really light winds for down the line, small and big waves, and the deal my local shop was offering was hard to resist. While this wasn't exactly the optimum use of the board, it works well enough. The wind I can now go out in and wavesail, is like a whole new dimension of sailing, and I get a lot more sailing days. I use a 6.1 on it, but the 22cm fin it came with was a bit small for this setup, with my weight of 178lb so I put on a 24cm. Perhaps at your weight with a 22cm might work. Anyhow, bottom turning such a big setup even in overhead waves wasn't too bad at all, so probably more so in 3/4 foot swell. But if you want a board for 4.0-5.7 conditions at your weight maybe the next size down (80litre + ?) would be something to think about for your needs. I haven't tried it in mush but I bet it would work too.
16th October 2006 10:12 AM
clovus
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

Hiya Peterk,

I have a EVO70 and 62. Luv 'em. I'm a bit lighter then you and tend to get thrown around in really rough stuff, such as B'n'J, conditions when I find it a bit hard to keep the board on the water and maintain direction in a stright line. As I'm not too speed orientated and I tend to like to wave ride and jump its not too much of a problem for me anyway. Plus I use the 62 whenever possible (18 knots +).

My Kombat on the other hand, gives a nice a smooth ride no matter what. Good for dodgy knees....
15th October 2006 07:22 PM
Screamer
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

Hi Peterk

Here are a couple of older threads discussing differences between these boards:

http://www.star-board.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=6&thread_id=12598
http://www.star-board.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=18381

Btw, I don't think that either C145 or starsurfer will be fun in 5.7-6m weather (too wide in my opinion).

Bye
15th October 2006 04:47 AM
Peterk
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

I was orignally considering the Kombat. I have no problem sacrificing on the 5.7 end since I own a carve 145 and i plan on getting a Starsurfer S for my kids. I figure when it is 6.0ish I wil steal the Starsurfer. It looks like it would be a lot of fun. It appears to be an oversized Kombat with padding.
15th October 2006 04:16 AM
Ola_H
RE: Evo for bump n' jump

Steve is right, I love the EVOs myself and if I had to sell all my board and only keep, say, 3, I would keep three EVOs. That said, with your conditions, if your not totally dedicated towards wave riding (which I am) I think and Pure Acid or Kombat would be a better choice. Don't be fooled by their appearance - they are not at all traditional but rather super modern fast wave boards. No doubt an EVO will let you rip frontside turns in your conditions better than anything, but it is less natural in a straightline. This can be tuned with a bigger fin, but Pure Acids and Kombats turns beatifully too and are VERY natural in any kind of B&J setting. It is however a bit difficult to predict how you will appreciate the different boards since your current board is so differnt from any modenr board. I can go deeper into how the different boards ride if you want to. Regarding control in high wind they handle this in different ways, but thay all handle it well. For example, I have no heistations whatsoever to use my EVO 70 in powered up 3.5 conditions (and I'm 69kg)

4.0 to 5.7 is a pretty big span of sails as Steve writes and regardless of which board you chooses you should come back and ask for some advice on extra fins. At 168 lbs I think you will be looking at EVO 74 (or possibly 80), PA 80 or Kombat 79. If you're willing to sacrifice a fair bit of 5.7 performance you can go for the EVO 70 (or 74) or PA 74.

My guess however, is that a Kombat 79 is the safest bet. The Kombats are simply amazing all round boards and are super nice in waves too.
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