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10th January 2011 04:57 AM
Windman For what it’s worth.

Have used the euro pin NP X3 since its introduction in 1999 and now have 6 of them (allowing multiple sails to be rigged at the same time) ranging in extension sizes from 28 to 48cm and covering sail sizes from 4.2 to 9.8m.

Only problem to date is that the downhaul line occasionally catches a rivet inside the extension tube and you have to “jiggle” the line as you are trying to get it out of the extension during derigging.

I agree with others that a change to Formuline substantially reduces the effort needed to downhaul to max specs and I also occasionally squirt a dry silicon lubricant onto the rollers of the extension and the sail to reduce the effort even more. Whilst I have closely investigated the new X6, it offers no benefit to me, at this stage.

Still have 3 older-model V8’s with the large luff curves and I MUST USE a downhaul crank to get them to maximum downhaul. Must disagree with Sergio K (post #33) in that:

- I use a mix of mast feet (F2, NP, ProLimit) to connect to the mast extension.

- My Chinook downhaul crank fits perfectly in my X3 extensions, see it here: http://www.chinooksailing.com/produc...roducts_id=290.

Segio, I know that nonopr uses Maui Sails and their products extensively and contributes extensively to the Maui Sails forum. He is not a NP rep.

Hope this helps.
9th January 2011 11:04 PM
sergio k
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Originally Posted by nonopr View Post
NeilPryde X6 still the best so far for me. No problems after two years. No other have the pulleys in the correct angle.
There is no need to use a crank now days for any good design sail. Sails Designers have lover the tension in their sails. I see a lot of people using cranks and they all broke their pulleys in the sail due to over cranking that crap.
No problem with sand or saltwater in two years and I dont even wash the part in fresh water after using it. By far the best.Neilpryde X6.
Yup, downhaul tension is lower than it used to be and I know lots of people that downhaul by hand,
BUT it's still LOTS of pressure on your lower back specially if you shift your body in the wrong
angle by accident during rigging, so I still strongly believe never to downhaul without a crank and most
people at my beach feel the same... I'm not saying that streamline is what you have to buy, there're many
good choices, but you dude sound like a NP rep... not cool, people ask for objective advice
9th January 2011 06:24 PM
nonopr NeilPryde X6 still the best so far for me. No problems after two years. No other have the pulleys in the correct angle.
There is no need to use a crank now days for any good design sail. Sails Designers have lover the tension in their sails. I see a lot of people using cranks and they all broke their pulleys in the sail due to over cranking that crap.
No problem with sand or saltwater in two years and I dont even wash the part in fresh water after using it. By far the best.Neilpryde X6.
9th January 2011 07:51 AM
sergio k switched to streamline euro pin in RDM and SDM 5 years ago, used with race sails up to 11 m2, few other guys I know use them with 12m2 with no problems; for salt water, sandy beach the simplicity and durability of streamline is un matched in my opinion... NP looks very pretty but you need their mast foot and downhaul crank doesn't fit...
8th January 2011 05:51 PM
MarcoM I have the streamline (RDM and SDM). I am very happy with it. My biggest sail for the SDM is a North RAM 9.0. I have no problems for downhauling. For the RDM my biggest sail is a ICE 5.7 also no problems here. Up till now I used a prolimit mast base but just bought myself also a mast base from streamline. It looks very solid. and what I like about it, you can replace parts very easily.
8th January 2011 05:29 AM
davide If you want the ultimate extension check out the new Hotsails Maui. Cast base, integrated cleat, made in 4 different materials: aluminum, composite, carbon or titanium (!). Aluminum collar, spectra line, 30 or 45 long, Euro or US with a very smart adaptor. I have a streamlined but the HSM seems to be a much better design.

http://www.hotsailsmauishop.com/extensions-1.aspx

http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3026
8th January 2011 04:54 AM
nakaniko My poor experience, I have a lot of extensions since I used to keep one for each sail already set to the proper required lenght, all to save time and speed up rigging.
NP: very nice and snug fit, but if sand enter during rigging can be a problem when derigging, mast can remain locked in the mast base. But they are light and seems bombproof. On a 48 cm SDM extension I had some problem with the button of europin locking system, It tends to go out of the hole if its locking theet is loose and not correctly engaged (and be suddenly thrown away in the sand!). I.ve found myself outside of Bogo (DK) planning WITHOUT the rig fastened to the mastfoot!
Never owned a Streamlined, here they have huge reputation like their price, and I don't know if they make the euro-pin version.
Some doubts about the RDM Chinook I own, it doesn't accept longer North pin version, I had finally to cut it down; and therefore it has a too thick end cap that remained stuck and somewhat glued inside the bottom of my 430 FS Tidal Wave RDM, because of some sand, so now I wave to work hard for pushing it out from other side...
5th January 2011 08:35 AM
Unregistered
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nonopr,
I am very surprised with your reply. Are you saying that the Streamlined quality is not very good? I have never heard any complaints about Streamlined so I would very much like to understand more information on this.
I have used a Streamlined extention and matching US cup base for a couple of years now. The problem I have had with the Streamlined base is that it distorts when downhauling my 10M sail. I use a winch to down haul this, and everything looks OK but I have a big struggle to insert the cup base into the extention.

On close inspection I find the extention has gone oval at the bottom and I can't get the US cup base inside. Very frustrating at the beach. In my experience, the Streamlined base and extention is suitable for 7.5 and smaller sails only.
24th February 2009 06:03 AM
Unregistered I thought "Formuline" from Monsieur Marlow was the best ?
Is Puerto Rico still in "feet" ?
Not many of us left these days !!!
23rd February 2009 09:32 PM
nonopr $9.00 US dollars for the 3 meters of rope from Neilpryde OR $5.90 for 3 meters of Marlow rope at .90 cents a foot.
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