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7th March 2009 06:59 AM
wiindz just before anything, olympic one design racers recieve new kits at the start of the olympics and they can sail those, and only those kits in the races, so no, they do not retain the same gear over their entire olympic racing carear. i think that since the RSX was such a succes in the past olympics, they saw no reason to change it...
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wiindz
your arguments regarding an olympic choice between formula and rsx are null.
formula never proposed to be in the olympics.
it was the formula one design: a one design formula board and fin with 11m rig for men, 9.5 for women
if you compare the formula one design vs the rsx, its clear we missed a major opportunity to upgrade to something more modern while keeping a one design format.
Sure there were small limitations at the low end of the wind range for the FOD but really is it windsurfing when you're shlogging along and doing more pumping than actual sailing??

first off,
i dont know many men that can sail with a 11m sail in 30knts succesfully (especialy on a FOD that is so light and wide) nor many or any for for that matter that can plane a FOD with a 11m sail in 3 knts. if by any chance you have an exeptionaly light sailor that is able to plane in 3 knts thats great, id like to see him sail in 30knts with the same set up. on the other end of the spectrum, if you have a heavy sailor, that by some chance can hold down a 11m on a FOD in 30knts while racing, id like to see him plane in 3knts. olympic windsurfing is about sailors competing against other sailors, how can they realy do that if they are in a constant struggle to ceep their geer on a plane or in control?

secondly,
there wasnt all that much that was much more modern then the RSX, dont compare todays FOD to the one that was present in 04-05 when the decision was made! formula, and windsurfing for that matter, where not where they are today, you have to take that into acount! on a cycle as long as the olympic classes, the boards are never competitive outside their one design catagory and they dont need to be. boards cant be updated for every olympics because there is an entire racing cuircuit for alll levels and ages and sexs that is bases apon having these boards in the olympics, thats why you have to have a consitent olympic set up so that people training for the olympics know what kind of set up they are going to be sailing.

finaly,
the "small limitations at the low end of the wind range for the FOD" cover the wind strength that many of the olympic competitions end up being held in. the olympics isnt like the pwa tour that can allow itself to schedule races all over the world to find the best conditions possible, many times the olympics host country is not very windy, and the chances of having a windy week to hold the races in are close to nill. an olympic class board MUST be able to sail in almost all prequant wind conditions (3-30knts) and im sorry, the FOD deffinately can not!! if you consider sub planning conditions not windsurfing, thats fine, but untill the olympics does also (very very unlikely to happen any time soon) FOD will not be the olympic one design windsurfing class, its just as simple as that!!

so, you tell me, are my arguments still null unregistered?

p.s. as for the point that somebody brought up before, to the general public (that doesnt windsurf and doesnt know anything about windsurfing (like 95% of the people probobly, if not more) ) the RSX and FOD look almost the same, they certainly will not be able to tell the differance.
7th March 2009 02:17 AM
Unregistered wiindz
your arguments regarding an olympic choice between formula and rsx are null.
formula never proposed to be in the olympics.
it was the formula one design: a one design formula board and fin with 11m rig for men, 9.5 for women
if you compare the formula one design vs the rsx, its clear we missed a major opportunity to upgrade to something more modern while keeping a one design format.
Sure there were small limitations at the low end of the wind range for the FOD but really is it windsurfing when you're shlogging along and doing more pumping than actual sailing??
7th March 2009 12:44 AM
steveC Frankly, I don't buy the idea that Olympic one design boards should be considered for 8-12 year cycles. First, the fact that the Olympics happen every 4 years, I believe that it certainly gives any athlete ample time to train and understand the character of the board and rig.

Also, I question the idea that any of the Olympic athletes retain original their kit for even the first 4 years, let alone 8 to 12 years. With each new kit, it is very unlikely that they will be the exactly the same in all respects.

I guess another assumption would be that the same athletes would win the slot to represent their country for 8 to 12 years. While it's possible that some might be able to do it, I would tend to doubt that that would be the case.

Given the fact that the RS-X has already been picked for the 2012 Olympics, it's really a done deal. Nevertheless, I seriously question the idea that the committee was obligated to select the RS-X for a second Olympics.
6th March 2009 10:51 PM
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FOD was an attempt to keep olympic windsurfing Alive !
pull the other one- its got bells on.
6th March 2009 10:23 PM
wiindz
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I dont think anybody is arguing that a a one design shouldn't be the olympic windsurfing class rather the equipment should be more modern- like the formula. Thus-the formula one design concept.
The RSX was already obsolete in terms of being a performance windsurfer after its first year. Its failed to attract a fleet outside those vying for an olympic spot- just like most other olympic sailing classes.
The Formula One Design appealed to a broader group of windsurfers - which if chosen, could have grown the sport
Honestly, why would you choose to sail a 45lb hybrid board that doesnt do anything well if youve got the opportunity to race formula, long boards or slalom?
first off, you cant change the equipment for every olympics, its crazy and nobody would be used to their gear. olympics run on a 4 year cycle, this meens that any set of equipment used for more then one olympic games (should be at least two) is going to become "obsolete as a performance board" because its 8 years behind its compitition! a one design clas has to stay the same over at least 2 olympics, otherwise it kind of defeats the perpouse of having a one design clas in the first place. there is another major problem with the formula boards, they cant slog! off the plane the boards are a nightmere. you need a sail of around 11m-12m to get planning in 5-6knts of wind for most people, none of those people could sail with that same sail in 30knts well. so you have to start changing sails, which is not so one design class anymore right? also, due to the fact that the rsx is heavy, it doesnt fly on you when very overpowered in high wind, which formula boards certainly do.... therefore, formula is a great sport, no questions asked, lots of fun for light wind areas and such, but for the reasons i have stated above, it cant ever be an olympic one design class nor will olympic one desiegn class boards ever be considered "modern designs" due to the fact that the production boards run in cycles of 1-3 years, the olympic boards run in 8-12 year cycles, enough said?
6th March 2009 08:18 PM
ceri quote - "The attempt to get it elected as the olympic board was an attempt to keep it alive.Shame but true ."
This statement could not be further from the truth . FOD was an attempt to keep olympic windsurfing Alive !
6th March 2009 03:13 PM
Unregistered Formula is already dead as a fleet.
It has failed to attract competitors in any numbers
The attempt to get it elected as the olympic board was an attempt to keep it alive.
Shame but true
6th March 2009 11:36 AM
Unregistered [QUOTE=wiindz;30219one design is the only way to go for the olympics because its the only way you can make sure thatthe sailor is winning the raceand not his or her equipment, which is the whole idea of the olympics..... when that doesnt matter (like in the pwa) the races may be more intertaining with more sponsorships and such but they arent fair enough to be olympic so far.....[/QUOTE]

I dont think anybody is arguing that a a one design shouldn't be the olympic windsurfing class rather the equipment should be more modern- like the formula. Thus-the formula one design concept.
The RSX was already obsolete in terms of being a performance windsurfer after its first year. Its failed to attract a fleet outside those vying for an olympic spot- just like most other olympic sailing classes.
The Formula One Design appealed to a broader group of windsurfers - which if chosen, could have grown the sport
Honestly, why would you choose to sail a 45lb hybrid board that doesnt do anything well if youve got the opportunity to race formula, long boards or slalom?
6th March 2009 11:02 AM
wiindz olimpic windsurfing has, and in my openion should always be, a one design class... i sail A LOT in regatas on 420s (also one design), its the trainer bout for the olipic 470, and trust me, having a one design class is far more demanding on the athletes physicaly and taticly then a free for all, its the fairest windsurfing can ever be, and thats the idea behind the olympics no? as for the rsx, and all the one design alympic classes, they are all miracles of engenearing if you ask me, name me one for complete set kit thta can sail 3-30 knts so succesfuly??? one design is the only way to go for the olympics because its the only way you can make sure thatthe sailor is winning the raceand not his or her equipment, which is the whole idea of the olympics..... when that doesnt matter (like in the pwa) the races may be more intertaining with more sponsorships and such but they arent fair enough to be olympic so far.....
6th March 2009 08:05 AM
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Windsurfing realities

Where i come from there is NOT alot of racing,windsurfing racing that is.

its 5 hours minimum to get to a regatta.
wind is no guarantee.
so the realilty is , you either sit onshore and wait for wind with a formula board setup, or get on your longboard and race, in any breeze that presents itself.

thats the case for most places in north america.
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