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17th March 2010 09:39 PM
Remi Hi Agrelon,

The new Reflex is more powerfull than the Code Red 9,8 that Morane use last year, so that will be perfect with a better glide and cam rotation.

Hi BelSkorpio,

I am 88kgs and Morane can plane before me, but as soon I get planning I am faster due to my weight. Hope this help.

All the best
17th March 2010 09:15 PM
agrelon
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Originally Posted by Remi View Post
Hi All,

Just for information : Formula with 70 fin and 10mē can plane at 6 knots easy for a rider of 55 kgs. Bigger sail will give no benefits at all. To heavy and not efficient, thanks

Morane is the good exemple and finish 3 at the last Formula Windsurfing World Championship in senior.

Hope this help

All the best
Thanks for this clarification, the thought of a 12m2 rig is quite overwhelming... Any sails you recommend? I was thinking the Severne Reflex Overdrive 9.7m could be good... I don't think the 0.3m2 missing would make much of a difference. Which sails do you prefer for formula/lightwind? Thanks again.
17th March 2010 06:51 PM
BelSkorpio Interesting, Remi.

It makes me wonder.

I'm 86kg and I know that I can plane with my F161/12m2 starting from 6 knots, with strong pumping to get going.
Now, am I technically able to plane as fast as a 55kg raider in these wind conditions ?
If not, starting from which wind force, am I techically capable to compete with such a light rider ?
17th March 2010 06:55 AM
Remi Hi All,

Just for information : Formula with 70 fin and 10mē can plane at 6 knots easy for a rider of 55 kgs. Bigger sail will give no benefits at all. To heavy and not efficient, thanks

Morane is the good exemple and finish 3 at the last Formula Windsurfing World Championship in senior.

Hope this help

All the best
17th March 2010 01:46 AM
Farlo Hi Agrelon, are you seriously considering a Formula and 10-ish sail? I would think that the additional weight of XXXL gear would make it useless for your 54 kgs. In other words, you may plane in 8/9 Knts with a 75 cm wide board plus 8.5 mē sail and 7/8 Knts with anything bigger (twice more expensive) but where is fun?
16th March 2010 03:22 AM
abeallen Excellent post.
15th March 2010 05:33 PM
agrelon
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Originally Posted by mark h View Post
Agrelon. I'm using a iS144 with 9m, 10m and 11m. 51cm and 57cm fins. I'm 105kg and 194cm. I guess this will be similar in sail carrying ability to the iS131 since there's only 8 litres difference in volume.

On the iSXXL, an 11m gives no real extra "early planing" benefit c/w 10m. This is due to the extra weight drag etc. 10m is the optimal max sail size for iSXXL. It'll work, but not to any advantage. Slogging with an 11m is no fun either. For me, the iS144 is best with a 9m/51cm fin. Light wind heaven

If your looking to get out on an 11m pretty often, but dont want to go full formula, take a look at the iS150. I once borrowed an iS150 from my local shop. I was very impressed with it. It does feel a lot bigger than the iS144 so will comfortably take an 11m, but I think it will be to big for your 7.5m. 9m would be the smallest real size for the iS144.

Even though SB state 6.5m to 10.5m for the iS131, its real usefull range is 9m to 10m (maybe 8.5 to 10m). I think you struggle to find a board that will truly work in the 7.5m to 11m range.
Thanks for this information, especially about the difference between 10m2 and 11m2 only being marginal. Cheers, I hope to try some lightwind gear soon enough and see if I can pull together to cash to invest!
15th March 2010 01:15 AM
mark h Agrelon. I'm using a iS144 with 9m, 10m and 11m. 51cm and 57cm fins. I'm 105kg and 194cm. I guess this will be similar in sail carrying ability to the iS131 since there's only 8 litres difference in volume.

On the iSXXL, an 11m gives no real extra "early planing" benefit c/w 10m. This is due to the extra weight drag etc. 10m is the optimal max sail size for iSXXL. It'll work, but not to any advantage. Slogging with an 11m is no fun either. For me, the iS144 is best with a 9m/51cm fin. Light wind heaven

If your looking to get out on an 11m pretty often, but dont want to go full formula, take a look at the iS150. I once borrowed an iS150 from my local shop. I was very impressed with it. It does feel a lot bigger than the iS144 so will comfortably take an 11m, but I think it will be to big for your 7.5m. 9m would be the smallest real size for the iS144.

Even though SB state 6.5m to 10.5m for the iS131, its real usefull range is 9m to 10m (maybe 8.5 to 10m). I think you struggle to find a board that will truly work in the 7.5m to 11m range.
14th March 2010 09:44 AM
agrelon (You mentioned taking an 11m2 on a board that is less wide than the 131, 77cm as opposed to 85cm, so I guess this setup should work in that respect.)
14th March 2010 09:43 AM
agrelon
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Originally Posted by Jean-Marc View Post
It's certainly too small to start planing as of 6 knots of wind.



Again, your combo is for sure way too small to plane as of 6 knots of wind. With a 77 cm wide board and a 7.7 m2 sail, I need 11 knots of wind to start and sustain planing with my 65 kg. With the same board + larger fin and a 11 m2 sail, I need 7 knots of wind. To plane as of 6 knots, I need a Formula and an 11m2 sail. The difference between planing in 11 knots or in 6 knots of wind is huge: 4 Bft vs 2 Bft wind.

I'm pretty sure Morane can plane as of 6 knots of wind with a Formula and a 10 m2 sail, but the initial question was whether a Formula is mandatory to achieve this goal at 54 kg. Let see what Morane has to say about that.

Cheers !

JM
Could an iSonic 131 WC take an 11m2 ? I think that this board might be a better option for me than a full on formula board as I own a 7.5m2 sail which should work better with an iSonic 131 than a formula. If this iSonic can take this huge sail then it could be quite versatile with my 7.5m, giving it a pretty massive windrange.
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