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19th July 2011 09:16 PM
ghrohrs
FW Dead?

Maybe, we'll have to wait and find out.
19th July 2011 05:19 PM
Winterly I don't know about every country specifically.
best regards
10th July 2011 05:44 AM
Unregistered yep
as a dodo.
1st July 2011 12:24 AM
sergio k To discuss FW, one has to realize that is has 2 user groups,
racers and req. users. Judging by Miami scene, only 10-15% are racers.
Racers do update boards every cicle or so; req. users, some will never buy a new board, but 25% do.
For me, my current board is so good, I just don't see a reason to buy a new one now, so unless there are some improvements or mine gets damaged, I'm not in a hurry. It might be like that with many, SB160 and 161 are still winning races, etc...

On new light wind offerings:
Even with latest in light wind planning toys like 147, most that do req. formula will not switch to it because,
all you going to be doing is going on the reach BAF, and that gets boring after a while (we have this huge
bay to explore and if you have something other than FW, you'll be stuck in one corner,
while every one else is criss-crossing the bay). Actually I see it purchased by people that 'hate' idea of formula but want to plane early, I know few people like that.

On popularity:
Racing: there're actually a lot of small, local races around the world and it looks like it growing,
just look FW ranking on formulawindsurfing.org and that list is bigger this year and doesn't include some races. Issue with big events, is economy, flight baggage restrictions, lack of industry and PWA support,
it's just too expensive to travel, we use to get big crowd from San Frans and East Coast for our winter races and don't see them anymore, but they still do race locally.
For req. users: In right locations, usually, light winds, not too shallow, supportive windsurfing community, numbers are growing, I know in Miami they are.
30th June 2011 10:34 PM
Ken Where I live, selling used formula gear has been somewhat easy, but the prices are also pretty low. There always seems to be someone that has watched "us formula sailors" blasting around that are jealous and want more planing time, so they scoop up the used gear.

However, those of us that do buy new, may at some time opt for something else if formula racing dries up. The ultrasonic 147 offers a lot of appeal because of its light wind capabilities. I guess unreg. will also dump on this board since a D2 would be more fun in under 8 knots and there is no reason anyone needs to be planing in 8-12 knots. I suspect the board will have a range of 8-20 knots, which will be great for many of us around the world.
30th June 2011 05:00 PM
Unregistered But somebody had to buy it new. If nobody does ( racers stop racing? ) the 2nd hand market will disappear.

By sounds of it you wouldn`t buy Formula kit new ??
30th June 2011 08:21 AM
mark h [QUOTE=
Point nobody has made is cost.

MarkH rigged an 11 metre;most likely on a 520 100% carbon mast and perhaps a 260 (??) carbon boom.Put them on a wideboard with a 70cm fin ??? Might be wrong but there`s no way on earth your average recreational sailor will spend that type of money for the particlular day that kit works on unless he`s already into racing (or plans to be?) Value of all that kit?? 3 or 4 thousand ????

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Just avoid putting masses of FW, did not pay fortunes for it. I only get new slalom or speed kit, but my 2nd hand formula kit was cheap.

2nd hand F161 £500 2-years ago.
2nd hand (but nearly new) North 550 mast £150 4-years ago.
2nd hand North Warp 11m £150 4-years ago.
2nd hand HPL 240-310 carbon boom £250 5-years ago

Total £1050 (less than the cost of 1 x new board)

The mast and boom will (hopefully) not break and last some time. And I change my Formula board and sail every 3-years for a newer 2nd hand model. I have not included the cost of fin's as I am a bit of a "fin bitch" and have loads collected over the years

P.S. I think you might be right though, less new FW kit is being sold. Not a bad thing as this drives 2nd hand prices up
30th June 2011 04:17 AM
Unregistered Been following this thread for a while. Dont agree with all unreg has had to say but its healthy to hear other side of argument.(and its what I hear at our club generally about SB ,ie marketing/promotion over substance) ????

Point nobody has made is cost.

MarkH rigged an 11 metre;most likely on a 520 100% carbon mast and perhaps a 260 (??) carbon boom.Put them on a wideboard with a 70cm fin ??? Might be wrong but there`s no way on earth your average recreational sailor will spend that type of money for the particlular day that kit works on unless he`s already into racing (or plans to be?) Value of all that kit?? 3 or 4 thousand ????

Dont think audience on this site is at all representitive of sailors in general. Most I know own 2 boards; occasionally 3 (and another 3 in garage roof from times past ???) .Totalling what some own on here you could buy on offshore 60 footer. (well nearly)

Sailors who dont race will never buy Formula .Thats why it dies in certain areas;without a racing fleet/events/promotion it will die.

Its a fair point about SB not promoting other fleets.They didnt.But why should they ??? They are in business to sell boards; they build Formula so they promote it !!!??? Fact of life.

Would be interesting to see breakdown of boards sold last few years.. I suspect Formula are selling fewer each year but I wouldnt be surprised if that was case in general for all boards..(Especially SB ???)

There`s one event per year near us for Formula.????? Last year it was blowing F5/6.... They didnt need the big kit ???
30th June 2011 03:39 AM
Ken There are plenty of good light wind boards available today, both planing and non planing. Adding a new D2 type board would accomplish very little if anything - UNLESS they were for racing.

In 5 knots of wind and on something like a Kona, one will be moving along at about 5 knots of speed. The board is stable and easy to tack and jibe. Get on a D2 board and you will be moving a knot or two faster, but the board will be very tippy (round bottom) and unstable, harder to tack and much hard to jibe, but it will point higher.

If not racing, who would want a D2 board? Maybe some guys that just like the challenge of mastering the board, but certainly not the masses.

I don't think I ever said that I wanted technical sailing, actually just the opposite. Formula is easy to sail, the platform is huge and you almost never fall off. It only becomes technical when fully powered and you press your limits. It is only as technical as you want it to be. Beginners can learn easily on a formula board, but they would give up quickly on a D2 board.

Unless you have tried it, dumping on formula sailing makes no sense.
30th June 2011 02:40 AM
COACHG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post

Imagine modern Div2
OK, I will. Um….Prodigy?

The U.S. could have put its entire military budget into developing Div. 2 & it would still have died. Starboard & formula didn’t kill Div. 2, it was the windsurfers. Mark H summed it up perfectly. “Would much prefer to be on a 50 liter speed board, but today was still fun.” Other then racing, what was a Div. 2 board good for? Formula offers racing ability for those who want to race and the thrill of speed in light winds –fun-for those who do not want to race.

Formula may be on its way out @ most places but please stop bringing back the dead horse.

Coachg
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