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22nd June 2011 07:02 AM
Papa TERRY I remember the Div 2 board It was like a sponge about 360to 360 if I remember . after a days use you took the cork out at the end off the board stood it on its end to drain it out. (yes those were the days)
Papa Terry
21st June 2011 07:56 PM
nakaniko It seems that I'll give the answer by myself to this, as I've booked a new 2009 Ventura for a really cheapest price, so let's see the difference between a Div2-inspired board like the Serenity compared to a DIV1-inspired board like the Ventura.
I have to pick up it in middle Germany going up (read escaping from hot) to Denmark on first days of July, hoping to try it on lakes and also sometime with.. my girlfriend sitting on the bow!

P.S.:the only thing they don't explain is what adjustable mastfoot system it has, it seems an only-mistral type and not provided with the board; luckily I still keep a Mistral to europin converter from my venetian Mistral Echo
17th June 2011 08:36 PM
nakaniko Thanks. This because 50% of my brain is always thinking at windsurf, common problem I think around here in this forum.
But the answer: almost same planning level or I'm gonna loose 2 knots? Board is (little?) heavier, but have more litres of volume, even if on a long shape...
16th June 2011 07:58 PM
Floyd Nice one Nakanico.
Your enthusiasm is infectious even over posts. !!
16th June 2011 03:47 PM
nakaniko Amazing! Never heard about all this before, thanks Floyd!
At least in something my Serenity is surely better, less problems of rolling on it than you told about Div 2. But very interesting the Div 2 construction, now I'll look around if someone has a board like this in his cellar or garage...
I've found that in some way posters have given a judgement about gliding and planing of Div 1 and Div 2, so a vote I think would be simply like a final summary of a test, like you can see on windsurf magazines; and the same could be for f.e Kona, Phantom 380 and 320, Ahd Tactik, Mistral One Design, and many other (long)boards.
Anyhow for my bad purposes (this is what I call thinking at buying my 9th board): I have a lightweight custom flapper board (nomex core) that is about 263x73 about 150 litres, pheraphs 8 kg, was the the narrow version of the classic 1 mt wide made by this local shaper (Trevisiol); straps on the edge of the board, sharp rails, lowest scoop (sticks even on small waves...), flat hull. But obviously planes easy with HSM Stealth 9,5 and also HSM Superfreak 8,0. Obviously doesn't glide so well in underplaning situations, especially upwind being without centerboard. Here it is:

I've see this Mistral New Ventura from 2009, 343 x 72, 255 litres, centreboard and adjustable mastrack, triconcave to v in the tail, sandwich intec but obviously not carbon, nomex or other pricy materials. Straps in various positions, but more inside the board. It vould be surely glide upwind far better than my flapper, weight not declared but I suppose around 13-14 kg (seeing the volume, similar to my Serenity of 257 lt).
Herer a drawing:

So, as with 9,5 I can plane with about 10 knots or less, what would be the planing threshold for me (90 kg) with the same camless 9,5? A bit or much higher? And gliding compared to Serenity?
16th June 2011 04:47 AM
Floyd Div 2 were rounded bottoms; more akin to a small yacht. Div 1 were flat bottoms. There were a couple of boards that sat between the two. Think one was called the Laser Surfsprint. It had a rounded hull in the nose and flattened towards rear.You couldnt race it in either. Well you could in Div 2 but you had no chance but it was banned from Div1)
Most recreational sailors had Div1 but that slowly changed to funboards. Shorter; flat boards but not really competitive in Div1. Div 1 max length was 375cm.Think there was a max volume too.Sucessful Div 1 were F2 lighning.Sailboard sport.etc.

Div 2 had enourmous displacements.as high as 380 litres I (could be wrong with figure but they were massive) They rolled worse than a canoe when you stood on them; you only had any stability with the great big centre board/dagger down. Most were hollow.Amazing technology.Normally coremat construction. (ie two layers of fibreglass seperated by a core of cork. (or similar) after a days sailing you had to empty them just like a dinghy. (They had drain bungs !!!) Lenght was upwards of 380 cm; width around 65 cm.

Those were the days !!!
16th June 2011 04:16 AM
nakaniko Just given away for free to my nephews an old Fanatic Hot Bat 325 and now I desire a Mistral Ventura 2009 343x71,5.Will it glides 70% compared to Serenity?
BTW what was the difference told from Div 1 to Div 2 boards?
16th June 2011 01:01 AM
Screamer Nakaniko, it's hard to put this in numbers. If you want to sail in few knots, AND to have ability to plane and have fun when it's stronger, there is not much choice - you need a longboard.
16th June 2011 12:18 AM
Floyd Posted too quick !!??
When wind changed about 40 degrees. Got back fine but learned a lesson !!! Get rid the Div 2 !!
16th June 2011 12:16 AM
Floyd I `ve not sailed Serenity but had many years sailing/racing Div 2. In light winds they were unbelievable.In any winds they went upwind as good as dinghys which we had to race against.(We always lost on handicap !! but it was a dinghy club) Cant really see how they could have been improved on. But it was a nightmare in rough water.
Me and a mate once set off to sail around an island off Abersoch (Wales) Ride out was fine; into wind and against swell.Coming back terrible; sailing on a run with rolling swell !!! Mate on his Div1 coped fine; I struggled and was close to giving up.
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