|3rd September 2011 01:56 AM|
People are either not honest or too optimistic about the wind conditions.There is a lot of snobbery too against longboards. A guy at my local spot told me that my Kona must be very old, and inquired how much. He was surprised it was modern, but showed no further interest. Since then, I've seen him twice swim to get out of situations where I had no problem at all.
Coachg is right: the conditions will dictate the solution.
|2nd September 2011 10:40 PM|
Both boards would work the same for your son. The average 12 year old would not feel any difference between 151 or 171 liters. The only one who would feel the difference is you. The 151 would be less stable then the 171 at your weight in light winds but nothing you couldn’t handle. In higher wind planing conditions the 151 would be less bouncy so it would feel more stable. So the closer to 20 knts you sail the more you would prefer the 151 but the closer to 10 knts you sail you would prefer the 171.
At my school we use Starts, Rios & Hifly Primos which are 70 cm wide longboards. For students first time on a board we use the starts. Learning to uphaul on a start is so much easier then a longboard. You can also learn on a long board but the Start is easier for everyone. Not some people, but everyone. Learning to do your first turn on a board is also much easier on a Start then a longboard. Again, some people take to the sport more naturally then others but even those students learn to turn much easier on a Start then a longboard. So our procedure is to teach basic uphauling, turning & their first sail on the Start then transfer them to a longboard within their first hour of sailing so they get better glide & upwind performance. When it comes time to teaching them their first tack & jibe we go back to the Starts for the basics & first attempts then transition them to the longboards.
On the longboard shortboard thing. That is a real tough call especially because many people are not honest about the wind they sail or plan to sail in. The Go is meant for light wind planing not light wind schlogging. If most of your sailing is going to be off the plane-schlogging -then the Go should not be your board. Get a longboard. If most of your sailing is going to be in light wind planing from 15-20 knts then the Go would be a great board. The 171 for closer to 15 knts & the 151 for closer to 20 knts.
There are pros & cons to every board and all of us have opinions on which is best. 1-21 knts is a big range & I would find it hard to believe the wind would be equally distributed in that range. Once you truly know what wind speeds most of your sailing will be done then the choice of board will be easier.
|2nd September 2011 04:21 PM|
A short board without a center fin or centerboard is useless in light winds. They are ONLY created for winds strong enough for planing (80 kg, 8 m2 sail, 14 knots with moderate skills).
A short board with a center fin or a centerboard does make sense for learning in light winds, but they do not offer the cruising (gliding) sensation a longer (like 320+ and often narrower) board provides in light winds.
When it is windy there is hardly any speed difference between modern planing longboard (Phantom, Kona) and a freeride shortboard. The longboard will feel heavier and more stable in rough sees, but is perfectly fine to learn shortboard techniques like planing jibes.
On the other hand, peer pressure to be on a shortboard tends to be quite strong :-)
|2nd September 2011 01:43 AM|
I recently both a GO 151 my experience is that the center fin does not work well for a small sail 1,5 m the board keeps getting aside instead of forward. For a bigger sail its oke I use sails from 9.0 till 5.0 depending on the wind. If you go for a freerace sail with 2/3 cambers you will have a good combo to go fast depending on your skills and also use the board for your kids. For the Go from 21 knots with chop the board feels like a skippy bal you bump a lot.
I also tried an iSonic 133 these type of boards have a better accelaration and can better handle the chop. You would be wise to test such a board first.
|1st September 2011 08:38 PM|
Thanks for your answer.
I see what you mean but the same (but may not perform well as a longboard in low wind because of it's width) counts for the Rio if I understand you correctly. This one is also width and has large volumes. Next to that is has also a daggerboard. If I choose for the 151 do I need a larger rig to surf on days with low winds ? what do you recommend ? or is it not possible to surf with low winds on a 151 ?
|1st September 2011 07:11 PM|
I would personally go for a true long board. A Phantom, a Rio or a Kona One will have better glide in low wind. My girl (11), prefers it over a short board (Starsurfer) we have because she enjoys the faster glide. I'm now sure that I will always have a longboard available for days with variable or low winds. (Most of the time here...)
The 171 liters will be planing quickly, but may not perform well as a longboard in low wind because of it's width that will cause extra drag. You will want to replace it in a year or two because the daggerboard will be more of a safety than a performance feature.
If you don't have storage room for a longboard, then go with the 151. Roger explained well how you can use it, and it will be closer to a low wind shortboard that you will want to keep in the future. It may be cumbersome at the beginning to add and remove the center fin, but since it's use will eventually stop, you will have a nicer low wind shortboard in the future.
|1st September 2011 05:19 PM|
Hi Roger and PG,
Both thanks for your time and answers. Roger why do you say that it might be somewhat large for 20 kts? is this because of speed limitations due to the fact the board is to heavy ?
Refering to what PG is pointing out with the pitch, that's exactly why I choose for the Go Windsurfer. I thought that it was a progressive board and allows me to use it as a kind of a free style board, that also planes.
|1st September 2011 02:13 PM|
The pitch about the Go Windsurfer is "This simple innovation transforms the idea of adding daggerboard system to a freeride board as it no longer compromises full planing performance; no more draggy, slow, sticky feelings. The GO Windsurfer, with the daggerboard removed, planes and rides just like a board without a daggerboard box."
Why do you claim that "it will limit you to longboard style/rig steering until you get another board"?
My experience is that even boards like the Kona One and the Phantom 320 have no such limitations!
|1st September 2011 06:48 AM|
What sort of board did you sail before?
Longboard with centeboard or shortboard with only a rear fin.
The Go Windsurfer might be OK at first, but it will limit you to
longboard style/rig steering until you get another board.
You son can learn just as well (perhaps better than on a longboard or Aquaglide)
on the Go 151 using the center fin at first to help him stay upwind.
As soon as he figures out how to stay upwind without the center fin, he will
be on his way to shortboarding.
12 year olds learn very fast.
For you the 151 can be sailed as a longboard right at first until you get your
balance and skills back, then you can take out the center fin, put in the plug,
and have nice wide shortboard to progress on.
Might be somewhat large for 20 knots+, but it can be sailed in those conditions,
and the additional volume will be good until you learn to waterstart.
|1st September 2011 05:18 AM|
i have discovered after a number of years and experiments teaching people that
1) need to start in really light breezes - this way they will NOT be overpowered
2) need to start with very small sails - again they will NOT be overpowered
3) they need to start on a really stable board - they will not be overwhelmed nor tire out too quickly
now this is for real newbies
if the person does snowboarding, skiing ,etc - some elements can be changed
here we seem to be speaking of a young chap n his father
if i assume it is a lake, then longboard with centre board FOR SURE
however, one can get used Mistral Aquaglides for little money and i have found them to be VERY successful in getting people going with little or NO instruction - more like learn as you play AND then give hints as they go !!!
some will tire of this quickly since the "board" floats n whobbles
after that perhaps the GO, RIO, Viper, KONA, etc
wishing you lots o luck in the BEST watersport in the world :-)
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