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22nd January 2013 06:03 AM
Unregistered Remi,
I agree about the way to test.
Me and my buddy (similar weight,ability and usually same speed) tested both boards with no sail settings change.We started using our own stuff,then swapped boards (complete of fins) and then only fins.
As told you,on the 117w,the 41 S- worked quite good as well as the 42 S (same brand) almost anytime tested.And it happened using the 8,6 and 7,8.
Can't say the same with the 117 2013.What disappoint me is the fact that it didn't work even in steady wind and difficult messy chop (where that kind of foil is supposed to make a difference).
Next time I'm gonna rear the front straps setting (I've put them so far forward in order to replicate my 127 footstraps distance) and will see what's gonna happen.Do you think I should move forward the base plate? Why?
We are currently using a fin brand that is proved to be good with Starboard.
As soon as I have next test I'll be back here posting.
22nd January 2013 12:36 AM
Remi Hi Unregistered,

To make a clear test you have to have the same sail, same fin and same approximatively weight rider then swap to see the real difference. Just by feeling is definitely not enough and fin can make a huge difference.

Actually my best fin for the 2012 117 Wide and 2013 117 is the 44 with 8.6 & 9.2 and my best foot straps position are totally in the back for the back one and in middle in the front one.
Some fins who are working really good on this boards : Deboichet R16 44, Drake Slalom DW 44 Ready to Race & Z Fins 44 S-

Mast base is only 5mm behind the recommend position for both., boom height correct.

Hope this will help you, do know hesitate to keep me up date.

All the best
21st January 2013 01:31 PM
Unregistered Hallo Remi,
tested the 117 few times now (always with the same 8,6 and same carbon fin 42).
Test sessions were done in any condition the board is supposed to be performant:12-22 kts.
Having used the 117w 2012 with the same sail and a 41 (same fin brand) I can confirm that this one delivered a better feeling.So far I've never felt that kick ass that makes you step forward when a gust hits the sail.
Didn't understood if it's a fin size or bend stiffness issue but it's what I've found out.Note that planning was not a problem,even is 12 kts.I'm talking about instant accelleration.The 117 2013 (used with that fin) seems like the 127 ride.
Should get new fins later this week and will test more.

Rear Footstraps:all the way back
Front Footstraps:all the way in front (maybe need to rear them a hole)
Mast base:3cm back respect the sign
15th January 2013 12:21 PM
Remi Hi Unregistered

At 75kgs the iSonic 117 with 9.2 and Z Fins 44/46 soft - you should be more efficient than 127/8.6 who is really not my favorite combination.

117/9.2 is Steve Allen weapon at 78 kgs so should be good for you too

Hope this help

All the best
15th January 2013 07:13 AM
Unregistered I have bought the new 117 hoping to be faster than the 127 (75kg) just for Alacati as it's a very salt water spot and,maybe,boards float better even with light air. Am I wrong?
Tested it in such light air vs my buddy's 127/8,6 with a 48 (just to test it and because have no right fin size yet) and I've seen I had (8,6) the same speed in the track as long as there was wind pressure in the sail.Got stucked in dirty air in the lulls.No way to be quick after gybes.
At the moment I'm not sure the 9,2 makes for big gain in those light air days.

Remi,what are in your opinion the right fins sizes for 117 in Alacati?
15th January 2013 06:59 AM
Unregistered Thanks Remi,

You confirmed my preference that was shaping already based on review of the existing comments !

I had the opportunity to test the 110 last fall with Chris but could not find the time. Now I am excited to try the real thing that I intend to pick up this weekend.

Have a great year.
14th January 2013 10:15 PM
Remi Hi Unregistered

Alcati is very particular place with Extrem flat water compare to all the other PWA events, so boards use to race over there have to be bigger than in open sea.

127/9.5 is the right choice because very often their is not enough wind at the mark and big equipment will make the difference.
Then for 8.6 & 7.8 recommend the 110, who is faster than 107 & 127 with 8.6.
Then the last board will be the 97 in 7.0 & 6.2

Hope this help

All the best
14th January 2013 08:22 PM
Unregistered I prefer 9.5 with 127 or 8.6 with 117 instead of 8.6 and 127 but the former option requires two boards the latter requires one board. Theoretically one could have 127, 117 and 110 to be perfectly covered for light and medium wind but then there would be nothing left for the high winds if your limit is 3 boards.

Considering to move down from 127 to 110 opens the door for a smaller size such as 97 which would easily cover the 20-30 knot range.


Do you have any thougths or suggestions??
14th January 2013 12:33 PM
Unregistered would you please tell me what's the usual light wind there? Is it gusty and patchy or steady light?
Don't like 127/8,6 combo at all,prefer 127/9,5 or 117/8,6.
Is the 7,0 frequently needed?

14th January 2013 12:05 PM
Unregistered i am glad you suggest an 85 cm minimum for light wind boards using large sails
i tried a 10-oh on an 80 cm board with a 53 cm fin and that was fine when winds were ideal
however, sometimes conditions are NOT ideal and then the large sail became a struggle

since then i purchased an older 94 cm wide free formula
this handles the 10-oh much better in all conditions
and now i know that i can down as far as 85 cm :-)
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