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17th July 2013 10:18 PM
mcross19 Without trying the two back to back I couldn't say but they seem the same upwind, just need to be planning and a decent size fin.
17th July 2013 06:04 AM
BelSkorpio YES. I Completely agree.
I wrote this already more than a year ago in a thread. Don't remember anymore which one.
I cannot compare with the 2013 version of the US because I've never tried it but I compare with my former Formula 161. Perhaps I shouldn't compare with a Formula because obviously the US is NOT a Formula but I also found that pointing was not the best property of the US.
What I can tell you is that a bigger fin (e.g. 64) in combination with a 10.9 sail and the mast foot way back helps A LOT. So, indeed the US needs power for pointing. It handles the power also very well and that's why I like it a lot.

Interesting to hear that the 2013 version points better. Must be the wider tail, although I haven't checked the specs.
17th July 2013 01:09 AM
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I'm not convinced that a 9.6 is as powerful as a 10.9.
Getting onto the plane with it, yes. But pointing upwind, doubtful.
For me I found the 2011/2012 Ultrasonic pretty poor upwind unless well powered, where the 2013 seems to easily fly upwind, even when not fully powered(using the same fin of course)
16th July 2013 07:56 PM
BelSkorpio I'm not convinced that a 9.6 is as powerful as a 10.9.
Getting onto the plane with it, yes. But pointing upwind, doubtful.
I probably plane as early with my 8.8 & 58 fin as with my 10.9 & 64 fin in marginal conditions, but then often after 1 rack + a jibe, I need to slog back to the point where I started off. Something that I hate.
In PWA slalom races, they don't have this problem too much because they go slightly downwind all the time.

On the other hand, I you take a sail that has a lot of low-end power (typically a light wind 2-cambered free race sail) you can quickly get overpowered when suddenly the wind picks up. I had this often with my 9.5 freerace sail which I sold because of this reason.
16th July 2013 07:02 PM
mcross19 That was an interesting point about the 9.6m being as powerful as a formula 10.7 because this is the discussion I had with the guys at Point 7 so they have made me a 10m Custom AC1 Slalom sail which I will use on my Ultrasonic. It weighs much less than a 10.7m Formula sail due to a shorter mast and boom but it is supposed to be equally as powerful, be interersting to get it going on the water.

The one big improvement the 2013 Ultrasonic has it the rear foot strap position has been moved futher outboard giving you a much more comfy stance on the board when planning.
16th July 2013 01:02 PM
mark h [QUOTE=Maybe one day the PWA will see sense and allow these 90cm+ wide slalom boards in competition. Far less cancelled heats and sitting on the beach as they push the wind minimums lower, which can't be bad for the sponsors[/QUOTE]

Good point. the extra 5cm could mean a lot more heats would get done, especially at some of the events known for light/flukey conditions. Must be gut wrenching for the pro's to sat on the beach during an event.

Could mean a whole new generation of fast 90cm slalom boards. I remember how quickly Formula developed/improved in its early days.
16th July 2013 11:43 AM
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and you mentioned the Exocet RS7 ....

there is another version of the SLW which is the SLW92 and it is 250 cm long. It is to be just as fast, as early a planer and as you mention - just as user friendly

the RS7 is a board i hear little about and cannot find it listed in US not Canada
glad you have shared info on it !!!!!
No experience with the SLW92, I have read that it can be pretty fast in the right conditions. Since its positioned more towards the intermediate sailor by JP with an outline a bit like a formula, it was not what I was looking for in a super lightwind slalom board.

Maybe one day the PWA will see sense and allow these 90cm+ wide slalom boards in competition. Far less cancelled heats and sitting on the beach as they push the wind minimums lower, which can't be bad for the sponsors
16th July 2013 09:14 AM
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The Ultrasonic is longer than the SLW, but the SLW is the easiest to tack of all the boards, it feels much bigger than any of the others and perhaps aimed more towards the recreational/less skilled sailor. But it is still a pretty potent light wind board that covers most conditions pretty well.
and you mentioned the Exocet RS7 ....

there is another version of the SLW which is the SLW92 and it is 250 cm long. It is to be just as fast, as early a planer and as you mention - just as user friendly

the RS7 is a board i hear little about and cannot find it listed in US not Canada
glad you have shared info on it !!!!!
16th July 2013 02:00 AM
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Given it is relatively shorter compared to the others does the early planing of the RS7 require a fair bit of pumping, and what sort of fin size compared to the others?

Cheers
No, I find the RS7 needs less pumping, it releases very quickly onto the fin after a couple of pumps. Fin size is the same as what I have used on the others, typical 57/58cm in 9.6 weather. Tail is wider than the Ultrasonic, narrower than the SLW and Falcon 152
15th July 2013 11:24 PM
Waterloo
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I have owned several of them and sailed them all, each has it's plus points and negative points, they are all good and transform light wind sailing.

So in my opinion, the earliest planning(at min wind) is the Exocet RS7....
Given it is relatively shorter compared to the others does the early planing of the RS7 require a fair bit of pumping, and what sort of fin size compared to the others?

Cheers
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