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Hookipa18 23rd April 2007 09:14 PM

F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
If I use a F160 with a smaller sail (Severne SSR10.0) will I loose a lot on the low-end compared to a 11.8. I mean if not in competition.
My idea is because of the easier handeling it should not make too much difference?

Ken 28th April 2007 02:22 AM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)

How much do you weigh?

What wind conditions will you be using the sail(s).

Are you just reaching, or do you do a lot of up and down wind sailing?

How good are you at pumping?

I am not familiar with Severne or Simmer sails, but with the above information, someone may be able to offer some help.


Hookipa18 2nd May 2007 10:52 PM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
Hi Ken,

I'm 92 kg (210 pounds), would use the Formula board normally in light winds 10-15 knots.

I also have an Isonic 125 with 9.0 if the wind is more stable.

Ken 3rd May 2007 12:34 AM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)

I don't think a 10.0 will be enough for your weight in 10 to 12 knots. 12 to 15 yes.

I have a SB F160.

I am 80 kg (175) and although I can pump my 11.0 Maui Sails TR-1 up on plane in 8-9 knots, I usually can't stay there because of our variable wind conditions (3-6 knot holes).

I think the larger sail will be a better choice in 10 to 15 knots given your weight.


konstas 3rd May 2007 03:19 PM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
HI Hookipa18

I have ue the ssr 10 and my opinius for that is detter to use up to 20 knots.If you have simmer 11,8 for 10-15 knots is better, becouse the ssr10 I use after 20 knots and I'm 65 kgm.I have sec some race in Greece and simmer 11,8 is better to use it .(10-15 kn)

Hookipa18 3rd May 2007 11:17 PM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
Ken, are you using a bigger sail than your 11m2?

Ken 4th May 2007 03:49 AM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)

The 11.0 is my largest. I try to be as efficient as possible and find the the wind window for something larger than the 11.0 is really small.
(7-9 knots). I guess if I raced formula often in light winds, a bigger sail might pay off, but that's not my situation.

At my weight (80kg) and my age (62), I don't want to mess with a larger sail.


konstas 7th May 2007 12:52 AM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
yes severne 11.7

barks 9th May 2007 10:48 PM

RE: F160 with smaller sail (10m2)
I'm on a 160 and somewhat your size (190cm/95kg) and find that I am not getting on anything like a 10 or smaller unless it consistently blows more than 10 m/s. I'm using Gaastra Vapors. Most formula 10's or 9.8's or 9.5's are made as highwind sails, and thus very flat and well releasing, but also with little grunt for their size. I tend to use my 11 from 6/7 to 10/11 m/s and 12 below that. With my small fw sail I'm hardly getting up on a plane in the wind range you describe (but then again I can switch down to a 5.5 once it's too big).

If you are set on staying close to 10m2 with the 160 you should definately look for a gruntier freerace type sail of the two-camber variety used in Formula Experience. Check out the NP V8 (or maybe RS Slalom?), Severne (is it C2?), MauiSails MS2, maybe the new Gaastra GTX etc. Those sails carry more bottom end for their size, and won't overpower in the wind range your're looking at either. Also they work better with 75% masts which are a lot cheaper and less fragile.

It's worth noting that I'm not only talking formula racing here. If I'm just out freesailing I use the 11 as long as the wind is below 10 m/s; the high wind sails don't seem to offer the useful range that most 11m2's seem to have these days.

Btw. I find that there is a notable difference in handling between my 11 and 12. The 12 is a wonderful sail for sure, but sail flips/jibes and stuff is just a little harder than with the 11. It might be more of a design thing than a size thing, as I believe the 12 is slightly softer to gain low-end (but thus also gets a tad "mushy"). On the other hand I do not find that my 9,5 handles a whole lot easier than my 11 really.

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