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jago25_98 16th December 2008 02:14 AM

Better than a wetsuit?
 
I don't really think a wetsuit is really the best thing for a sport mostly out of the water.

What could be better?

A dry suit?
A semi dry suit?

Has anyone tried something different like this? Was it warmer?

kennatt 16th December 2008 03:40 PM

a dry suit or semi is ok if you are out of the water but once in the water which you often are then the heat transfer from you to the cold water is greater than that in a wet suit which offers better insulation . Good wet suits are also more flexible but then its all down to personal preference .Fair winds.

John Kemsley 16th December 2008 04:47 PM

It would depend on the air and water temperatures respectivly, nice summer day = shorts and rash vest. It also dpends on how often you fall in!!

Dont forget you can buy different wetsuits for different seasons

Unregistered 16th December 2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennatt (Post 28451)
a dry suit or semi is ok if you are out of the water but once in the water which you often are then the heat transfer from you to the cold water is greater than that in a wet suit which offers better insulation . Good wet suits are also more flexible but then its all down to personal preference .Fair winds.

I am sorry but that is all wrong. Have you already tried one ?

The Drysuit offer much more protection against cold than a wetsuit. In fact you are totally isolated from the outside (zero water, zero windchill). You are so much isolated that you can easily get too warm, even when the water is +5C and the air +5C or below.

In countrys like canada, danemark, sweden etc ... they only use that.

Your body is not wasting energy to warm up the water layer which is between your skin and the suit like in a wetsuit. This water layer has to be warmed up again and again and again ...

In top of that the Drysuit is much more flexible than the drysuit if you choose the correct size, just try one ...

nonopr 16th December 2008 07:24 PM

This is what I recommend? Forget about the old fashion Dry Suit.
 
check this out.

http://www.ripcurl.com/index.php?hbomb



Quote:

Originally Posted by jago25_98 (Post 28434)
I don't really think a wetsuit is really the best thing for a sport mostly out of the water.

What could be better?

A dry suit?
A semi dry suit?

Has anyone tried something different like this? Was it warmer?


Floyd 16th December 2008 10:47 PM

Heated Suits ????
 
From someone who managed to set their mountain bike on fire with lighting equipment not sure I will be trying an electrically heated wet suit.(Will it make tea aswell ?)
Batteries ; heating elements; neopreme and salt water dont sound a good mix to me !!
Resultant burns would take some explaining; (like my insurance claim for spontaneous combusting mountain bike).

On a serious note; problem isnt producing the heat (your thighs will produce 5 times more than 2 lithium batteries ever could) problem is keeping the heat in and at right places !
How many times have you sailed with a warm torso (your own that is) but freezing fingers/toes ??
Dont think my chest;shoulders etc are ever cold; its the extremities, which heated suits will not help. (Heated diving suits circulate hot water everywhere)
(Yes I know keeping torso/kidneys warm helps everywhere; but heat loss from that bit of hot suit will be incredble.)

Ken 17th December 2008 01:17 AM

Bottom Line -

Figure on worse case scenario - equipment breakdown and you have to sit or swim for an hour or more. If your suit won't protect you in this situation, don't go out.


Ken

nonopr 17th December 2008 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 28463)
From someone who managed to set their mountain bike on fire with lighting equipment not sure I will be trying an electrically heated wet suit.(Will it make tea aswell ?)
Batteries ; heating elements; neopreme and salt water dont sound a good mix to me !!
Resultant burns would take some explaining; (like my insurance claim for spontaneous combusting mountain bike).

On a serious note; problem isnt producing the heat (your thighs will produce 5 times more than 2 lithium batteries ever could) problem is keeping the heat in and at right places !
How many times have you sailed with a warm torso (your own that is) but freezing fingers/toes ??
Dont think my chest;shoulders etc are ever cold; its the extremities, which heated suits will not help. (Heated diving suits circulate hot water everywhere)
(Yes I know keeping torso/kidneys warm helps everywhere; but heat loss from that bit of hot suit will be incredble.)

That is the worst comment I have ever read in regar this suit. Please learn first how your body gets warn and then comment .
You blood circulates to all of your body the heating element in the suit attacks the back , Why? because is the closest part to your lungs where all the blood is taken for oxigenation. And if all your blood is warm you arm will be warm all the way to your finger tips. RipCurl tested this suit for 3 year before going to market and not one of the RipCurl surfers ever suffer of any cold fingertips even surfing in the artic circle At -10 Celcius.
The heating element is cover and not in touch with your body, plus all the connections are water proof. RipCurl has made wetsuits for over 40 years and You might think that, if they come up with a suit like this it would be water proof or to the elements. Check the website in detail, so you get to learn technology is help not a handicap.

Per 17th December 2008 03:26 AM

Hi.
I live and windsurf in Denmark, and to me around zero days (celcius) are normal for four months a year. It's actually not that complicated. I use a Gul drysuit. Not neoprene but made from the same fabric as normal sailing clothes though being waterproof in all openings. I wear some fleece and cotton underwear under it. Put on some Da Kine cold water mitts, a thin neoprene helmet if it gets really cold, and finally some not too thick boots (5 mm is plenty, anything above and you will loose control and contact).
I can go surfing for hours. The Gul suit feels lighter and more comfortable than a normal wet suit and I never freeze while rigging. I used to have a NP neoprene 6/4 dry suit. It was only dry for a few weeks, it fealt heavy and compromised my body movements a lot. It fell apart after three seasons.
To me neoprene is out of the question for winter windsurfing.

;-)
Per

Unregistered 17th December 2008 06:08 AM

after the wetsuit comes the suit of the future
 
Check out Dave Graneys 'suit of the future'. Extreme style. The Aussies will know.
How do you post pictures?


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